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Q: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?

I first noticed this after my MBP [Retina] had gone to sleep, but: when returning to the login screen (since I have it set to require a password whenever the computer is idle long enough) I noticed what appeared to a very faint ghosting primarily noticeable on darker backgrounds.

 

After messing around with it a bit, there seems to be a fairly consistent in-display ghosting that occurs without much time at all; I was able to leave my screen on (a little above half-brightness) for about 10-15 minutes and the ghosted "burn" would be of the screen I left it on (which I deliberately reconfigured so that everything would be a new position).

 

Has anyone else experienced this? Is this a normal thing that I just have to get used to? It's not really noticeable at all in standard use.

MacBook Pro (Retina, Mid 2012), Mac OS X (10.7.4)

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 10:30 PM

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  • by DrAndyWright,

    DrAndyWright DrAndyWright Aug 23, 2012 7:56 AM in response to mittense
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    Aug 23, 2012 7:56 AM in response to mittense

    Just read this :

     

    "LG Display has begun mass production of a super thin 4-inch display, with much speculation that it will be for Apple’s next iPhone"

     

    Oh dear, I was eagerly awaiting the iPhone 5 to replace my 4s. Don't think I am going to be an early adopter this time, I will wait for the feedback from first owners before parting with my money ;)

     

    http://www.t3.com/news/is-lg-producing-an-ultra-thin-display-for-iphone-5

  • by BHolyk,

    BHolyk BHolyk Aug 23, 2012 8:26 AM in response to mittense
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    Aug 23, 2012 8:26 AM in response to mittense

    I got my first rMBP a week ago (week 32 with LG screen) and it didnt have any noticable IR but after following this thread I was very uneasy with the idea of keeping it so I called applecare.  After getting disconnected several times and spending 90 min on the phone I was set up with a replacement.  It took 4 days for my replacement to come and THANK GOD it is a Samsung (week 34). I have had this one for 3 days now and it is beautiful with great color, contrast, and no IR/dead pixels/screen bleed.  I hope everyone that is having issues or simply wants a Samsung screen gets everything resolved!

  • by saemick,

    saemick saemick Aug 23, 2012 9:18 AM in response to mittense
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    Aug 23, 2012 9:18 AM in response to mittense

    I've been basically following this thread from its inception as I've been interested in getting myself a rMBP, but was (and am still) a little hesitant to drop the money if I'm going to experience these IR / display issues. While things seem to be getting better and others seem to be getting better displays (be it LG or Samsung), is it even worth me purchasing one now or would I be better off to wait a little longer till this issue gets completely resolved (who knows when that'll be though)?

     

    I live in the US, so I'm not sure if that's better/ worse as far as what others have been experiencing from defective LG displays.

  • by Leoul,

    Leoul Leoul Aug 23, 2012 9:26 AM in response to saemick
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    Aug 23, 2012 9:26 AM in response to saemick

    Saemick, that is also my big hesitation to buy one. Thanks a lot. You raised a big issue that is exactly in me.

  • by clipcarl,

    clipcarl clipcarl Aug 23, 2012 9:36 AM in response to mittense
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    Aug 23, 2012 9:36 AM in response to mittense

    Hello, first time poster here but a long time Apple user. I just wanted to share my experience in the hopes that it adds some clarity.

     

    I bought two retina macbooks right when they first came out. One I bought from the store and the other I had built to order. I used the store bought laptop for a couple of weeks before the built to order laptop (with more memory) arrived. I never had any issue with image retention on the store bought laptop at all. When I received the built to order laptop I gave the store bought laptop to my brother.

     

    After a week of using the built to order laptop I noticed the image retention problem. At first it was faint but over the next couple of weeks the problem got steadily worse until an image only needed to be on the screen for a few minutes and the after closing the window the after-image be quite visible and clearly noticibly to even other people for several minutes. For images that were on the screen for a very long period of time (such as the dock icons) the after image would be extremely bright (relatively speaking) and even readable. I googled the problem and found all of these threads. Until I googled I had never heard of this problem so it is definitely not a case of my seeing the problem only because I had read about it first. In other words, it's definitely very noticible even if you're not looking for it. I read about finding the panel manufacturer using ioreg so I tested and found out that my new laptop had an LG panel. I called my brother and he tested the store bought laptop and it has the Samsung panel.

     

    I called Apple Care and they had me take the laptop to an Apple store to have a genius look at it. The genius was able to immediately see the problem. The problem was very clear and he did not need to look closely at all. Even though the laptop was past the 14 day return window Apple offered to allow me to return or exchange the laptop. I chose to return the laptop so that I could order a new one with a bigger SSD and the faster processor.

     

    When I received the new laptop I ran the ioreg command and found out that it too had an LG panel. I examined and tested it very carefully and on the first day there was no evidence of the image retention problem at all. I thought all was good but unfortunately after a week or so I began to notice image retention. As before, the more days that passed the more severe the problem became.

     

    I took this new laptop to an Apple store and again the genius was able to immediately see the problem. I was given the choice of returning the laptop (this new one is still within the 14 day return period) or having the screen replaced. I decided to have the screen replaced hoping that the replacement screen might have better chance of being a Samsung. However, the store did not have any replacement screens in stock so they had to order one.

     

    A couple days later (yesterday) the store called me and told me that Apple is no longer replacing displays for this problem because they all have the problem (not true) and that they would be releasing a software fix for it. I told them that that was very disappointing and that I was not going to risk the $3,000 (plus lots of tax here in California) I spent on a software fix for what is apparently a hardware problem. In my experience when a manufacturer says they are going to do that it is because they don't want to eat the cost of properly fixing the hardware and the software "fix" is an attempt to simply cover it up. Now, Apple's support is way better than anyone else but I remember when people were complaining about iPhone 3G signal issues Apple's "fix" was to update the software so that it simply showed more bars at the same signal level. Also, in my case, I actually use Windows and Linux far more than OS X so a software fix for OS X is not going to help me even if it were possible to fix this in software.

     

    So this laptop is also going back when the return period ends tomorrow. I bought another low end model at a store last night and unfortunately it has the same LG panel. I'm twice burned with LG so I'm not going to wait until the problem shows up; it too is going back immediately. Maybe I'll try once more to buy one with a good panel but I don't know. Maybe I'll just give up.

     

    My advice to others in this situation is that if you are given a choice between returning the laptop, exchanging or having it fixed you should return the laptop and buy a new one. That way you have a chance of getting a good panel, you reset your return period and you're not stuck with something that isn't satisfactory if Apple does not come through with a fix that really solves the problem.

     

    Carl

  • by lionhoho,

    lionhoho lionhoho Aug 23, 2012 9:45 AM in response to mittense
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    Aug 23, 2012 9:45 AM in response to mittense

    Please note, the issue may happen few weeks later.

     

    I found the problem 3 weeks later after I started to use it and I asked for replacement. The bad thing is I got another LG screen and now after two weeks useage, the issue happened agan and guess what I got from Apple store? I was told "go home, and wait for new fimrware". Is that a joke??? Anyway, for how long should I wait? they just don't know.....What???

    This is  my first apple product for myself and I was stupid because I added an apple care plan. At the time everyone can ask for the replacement of the defective screen, I was asked to wait at home.

     

    So, this is apple.

  • by Apples_8212,

    Apples_8212 Apples_8212 Aug 23, 2012 9:59 AM in response to lionhoho
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    Aug 23, 2012 9:59 AM in response to lionhoho

    lionhoho and clipcarl, thanks for your posts.

     

    Both of you have confirmed why I decided to return within the 14 days - IR only started on day 5, on day 1 it appeared absolutely fine, and it has got worse (now day 7). It does affect me on a regular use basis, as I use photoshop and often have a static image on the screen for 10 mins or so if I am selecting a detailed area with the lasso tool.

     

    This just won't do, for any of us. I haven't placed another order yet, but I guess I will just re-order and pray for a samsung. I will never be happy with an LG, knowing that the problem could develop (and develop badly) some 3 weeks or so down the line. I know there have been a few reports of samsung issues too, but SO few in comparison, that I really believe I will only be happy with a samsung screen. Shame, because otherwise it is a cracking computer!

     

    Good luck guys.

  • by mick jones,

    mick jones mick jones Aug 23, 2012 10:01 AM in response to mittense
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    Aug 23, 2012 10:01 AM in response to mittense

    Got my replacement today. Guess what, its a LG again, got IR again, though not so hard, an it got deep scratches in the surface. And at last, the keyboard had a less nice pressure point. I am so disappointed... So all in all, it got even worse...

  • by johns1,

    johns1 johns1 Aug 23, 2012 10:24 AM in response to rrahimi
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    Aug 23, 2012 10:24 AM in response to rrahimi

    Image Retention (or more appropriately persistence) is not defined in odd, normal, irregular, good, bad or such adjectives. It either is there or is not. It's that simple.

     

    Whether you still find it usable or not depends on each individual's preferences.

    That sounds more like something you would hear from a lawyer instead of someone that works in the industry.   I was commenting back on the comment about thousands of people that might never notice IR on one of these panels and yes there is more pronounced presence of IR on some panels, its not as simple as its either there or not.  What i love is the title of this thread that refers to burn in, yep that readily occurs on ISP panels right?

  • by johns1,

    johns1 johns1 Aug 23, 2012 10:26 AM in response to DrAndyWright
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    Aug 23, 2012 10:26 AM in response to DrAndyWright

    Just read this :

     

    "LG Display has begun mass production of a super thin 4-inch display, with much speculation that it will be for Apple’s next iPhone"

     

    Oh dear, I was eagerly awaiting the iPhone 5 to replace my 4s. Don't think I am going to be an early adopter this time, I will wait for the feedback from first owners before parting with my money

     

    http://www.t3.com/news/is-lg-producing-an-ultra-thin-display-for-iphone-5

    Better run and hide because LG is a major force in the movement to 4K HDTV's. 

  • by johns1,

    johns1 johns1 Aug 23, 2012 10:31 AM in response to lionhoho
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    Aug 23, 2012 10:31 AM in response to lionhoho

    I found the problem 3 weeks later after I started to use it and I asked for replacement. The bad thing is I got another LG screen and now after two weeks useage, the issue happened agan and guess what I got from Apple store? I was told "go home, and wait for new fimrware". Is that a joke??? Anyway, for how long should I wait? they just don't know.....What???

    This is  my first apple product for myself and I was stupid because I added an apple care plan. At the time everyone can ask for the replacement of the defective screen, I was asked to wait at home.

     

    So, this is apple.

    There's been more then one post with someone from Apple suggesting that something can be done software wise, I don't think its likely, still it would be interesting to know if anyone knows more on this rumor.

  • by Tadziak,

    Tadziak Tadziak Aug 23, 2012 10:31 AM in response to mick jones
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    Aug 23, 2012 10:31 AM in response to mick jones

    mick jones wrote:

     

    Got my replacement today. Guess what, its a LG again, got IR again, though not so hard, an it got deep scratches in the surface. And at last, the keyboard had a less nice pressure point. I am so disappointed... So all in all, it got even worse...

    I just got my 1st replacement - it took only a week to get it, since I reported it to Apple, most of this was delivery (China-Poland).  Thank God it's a Samsung (week 34th) and the screen looks very good. The down side is that the body has very minor chips here and there, like little dots on the aluminium.  But I think that it's too risky to send it back in hope of getting another good screen just because of cosmetic imperfections?

  • by Apples_8212,

    Apples_8212 Apples_8212 Aug 23, 2012 10:35 AM in response to Tadziak
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    Aug 23, 2012 10:35 AM in response to Tadziak

    It's worrying how many people seem to be getting replacements with chips, scratches etc, especially when they finally get a Samsung screen. Come on Apple, be the company you say you are... Quality Control?!

  • by mick jones,

    mick jones mick jones Aug 23, 2012 10:38 AM in response to Tadziak
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    Aug 23, 2012 10:38 AM in response to Tadziak

    Yeah, i would accept the scratches (if they are not so bad), but the rest?! As i said, the keyboard pressure point is much less comfortable. This baffled me most. I called a local store near my home and asked them what to do. They said i can come by and change it if the next delivery is also BS. Problem is, I need my notebook for my study and can´t be withot for even a day

  • by lionhoho,

    lionhoho lionhoho Aug 23, 2012 10:40 AM in response to Apples_8212
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    Aug 23, 2012 10:40 AM in response to Apples_8212

    Jobs won't be here anymore I guess?

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