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Q: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?

I first noticed this after my MBP [Retina] had gone to sleep, but: when returning to the login screen (since I have it set to require a password whenever the computer is idle long enough) I noticed what appeared to a very faint ghosting primarily noticeable on darker backgrounds.

 

After messing around with it a bit, there seems to be a fairly consistent in-display ghosting that occurs without much time at all; I was able to leave my screen on (a little above half-brightness) for about 10-15 minutes and the ghosted "burn" would be of the screen I left it on (which I deliberately reconfigured so that everything would be a new position).

 

Has anyone else experienced this? Is this a normal thing that I just have to get used to? It's not really noticeable at all in standard use.

MacBook Pro (Retina, Mid 2012), Mac OS X (10.7.4)

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 10:30 PM

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  • by rohit.anupindi,

    rohit.anupindi rohit.anupindi Sep 14, 2012 5:54 AM in response to mittense
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    Sep 14, 2012 5:54 AM in response to mittense

    Need help in deciding

     

    I've been in contact with one the Apple CR in Singapore from the past one week( I'm located in India). She has agreed to offer me a replacement machine, current one is 1+ months old LG IR Display. Now I'm in a dilemma whether to take a repalcement of the Retina MacBook or go for a Classic MBP with Hi-Res display. Refund is not an option for me because I didn't buy this from an Apple Store but from an Apple Authorized Reseller, we don't have Apple Stores in India :'( .

     

    I'm really dissapointed with rMBP, got my machine replaced twice and I'm fed up of the lag and the display issues.

     

    What do you guys think I should do ? Go for rMBP or cMBP with Hi-Res. I want a machine which runs smooth for 3 years.

  • by olli.vdl,

    olli.vdl olli.vdl Sep 14, 2012 6:01 AM in response to mittense
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    Sep 14, 2012 6:01 AM in response to mittense

    Hello folks,

     

    I called Apple Support from within Sweden today. To be correct, I booked a time online upon which I wpould be called by them. I got a call from Ireland and got a computer voice asking me some question, I pressed "1" sorry, I don't remember what the menu listing was.

     

    I got a man on the phone, presenting him talking Swedish as being from the AppleCare. I described the issue vaguely, a bit amateuristisc:

     

    "the image sometimes stays on top of the next image, it's odd, and I find it annoying as sometimes this definitely disturbs my workflow, depending of waht I am busy with on the computer. When editing images, logically this is an unacceptable issue.

     

    This feels like the risk one should avoid when having a plasma TV. It's called image retention I believe, when a still image stays too long on the screen, it kind of burns the image into the pixels. I find it very obvious that this is the case with a TV, it has been told when I opted for a plasma. I believe an LCD didnt have that issue, but I cannot remember if that was the case or not.

     

    In any case, with a TV one is supposed to watch moving images, but with my computer screen, I cannot expect that I am supposed to move everything around to avoid this kind of retention, do I?"

     

    I was asked the standard "did you try to reinstall the OS" -question , upon which I stated that I sorted out it MUST be a hardware issue, because a screen capture taken during a nasty image retention moment, is not showing any of the retention. told him as well that I had tested the image on another computer.

     

    He asked me to hold while me he would ask for a stance from a technician on the issue.

     

    Guess what?

     

    "Apple is aware of this issue, and you should leave in your mac at a reseller to have it fixed"

     

    Upon which I asked:

     

    "What issue are we talking about? is there anything wrong with my computer then?"

     

    - "Yes, there is a number of displays on especially your model that are having exactly the issue like you describe it. If you leave in your mac at a reseller, they will replace the screen and you will not need to pay for it"

     

    He helped me with some shop names in the neigbourhood, telling these are aware of the issue, and will know how to proceed...

     

     

     

    I have a MBPr bought in the first hours after the launch, got it in Sweden approx 16 July:

     

    The result of the terminal command

    ioreg -lw0 | grep \"EDID\" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6

     

    is:

     

    Color LCD

    LP154WT1-SJA1

    DCN225402D5DMJ0AJ

     

    Then going to this chipmunk link:

     

    http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html

     

    I got:

     

    Serial number: LP*******JA1 (cleaned up from 'LP******-*JA1')

    Group1:

    Group2:

    Generation:

    Production year: 2001

    Production week: 54 (January)

    Production number: 1210392 (within this week)

    Memory - number of slots: Please tell us how many memory (RAM) slots this machine has.

    Factory: LP Please tell us where this machine is manufactured.


    Please tell us where this machine is manufactured. Life's suposed to be good...

     

    <Edited By Host>

  • by stecube,

    stecube stecube Sep 14, 2012 6:20 AM in response to JustSayNo
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    Sep 14, 2012 6:20 AM in response to JustSayNo

    JustSayNo wrote:

     

    stecube wrote:

     

    Is it too much to ask for what we paid for?

    ...

     

    Apple never promised a screen w/o any IR (which they wouldn't since their position seems to be "IR is normal in all LCD screens"), so from their standpoint (as communicated by some Apple people), you did get what you paid for.

     

    ...

    What's that supposed to mean? C'mon, let's be serious! Apple never promised my computer would warm me up during cold winter nights, but I can assure you, it does! =P

     

    They don't show image retention in their ads, they don't talk about it, so it shouldn't be there. End of story!

  • by stecube,

    stecube stecube Sep 14, 2012 6:21 AM in response to olli.vdl
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    Sep 14, 2012 6:21 AM in response to olli.vdl

    olli.vdl wrote:

     

    Then going to this chipmunk link:

     

    http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html

    You are supposed to put in the serial of your Mac, not the one of your display. ;-)

  • by olli.vdl,

    olli.vdl olli.vdl Sep 14, 2012 7:20 AM in response to stecube
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    Sep 14, 2012 7:20 AM in response to stecube

    D'oh! that's quite a dummy experience, thanks stecube. I didn't even see the production year being totally off the hook... For what it's worth, here comes the chipmunk info...

     

    Group1: MacBook

    Group2: Pro

    Generation:

    Machine Model: MacBookPro10,1

    Model introduced: 2012

    Production year: 2012

    Production week: 26 (July)

    CPU speed: 2.3GHz

    Family name: Become a pro user to see this information. (sorry)

    Screen size: 15 inch

    Screen resolution: 2880x1800 pixels

    Colour: Aluminium

    Capacity: 8GB

     

    N.B. Quite odd my serial above got edited in the second occurence, but not the first one...

    Modd, I think no-one is going to misuse the serial number to my Retina Image Retaining LG screen... or am I naive???

  • by joekljk,

    joekljk joekljk Sep 14, 2012 7:24 AM in response to UltraMax
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    Sep 14, 2012 7:24 AM in response to UltraMax

    UltraMax wrote:

     

    Untitled-1.jpg

     

    Nice! Post memes, tell your friends, and keep returning and replacing until you get an IR free screen. Other posts about people who have IR problems with other IPS screens are mentioning that it was getting worse over time for them as well.I am not risking past 14 days, this one is going back, especially with my first rMBP getting really really bad IR 2 months in...

     

    Hey Apple still waiting on that statement and the magic firmware update lets gooooooooo

     

    Wondering what the big fail will be for the iPhone5

  • by Sebdude,

    Sebdude Sebdude Sep 14, 2012 8:10 AM in response to mittense
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:10 AM in response to mittense

    Well, I went to Apple Store today in Amsterdam, actually get either my machine replaced on the whole or get refund. It's exactly 2 months old today, so of course they only want to replace the screen. I talked to genius and later the manager to express my fears that the next screen will quite likely have IR again. Yeah the Genius, we'll test it to make sure the screen is good. We'll see i guess, as far as i know their testing is limited to running a simple software programm that check for dead pixels and the like..

     

    Futhermore I told the manager that I wasn't willing to have my screen replaced X number of times because of this issue, it is and remains to relatively young computer which cost my a far dollar, well euro.. 2479 to be exact, and this is unacceptable. Well I agreed to have it replaced, if the issue occurs again they'll find a solutable sollution to solve the issue.. Quite a broad concept if you ask me..

     

    NOW PRAY for a Sammy screen...

  • by Dave Z,

    Dave Z Dave Z Sep 14, 2012 8:27 AM in response to PeterLV
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:27 AM in response to PeterLV

    Someone in this thread earlier suggested loading appleinsider.com, leaving it up for about 10-minutes, then loading daringfireball.com. I like this test because those two site designs contrast nicely and demonstrate a real-world use situation.

  • by luyi7338,

    luyi7338 luyi7338 Sep 14, 2012 8:35 AM in response to Sebdude
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:35 AM in response to Sebdude

    I just test it and I think my LG screen have no IR issue. But it's brightness is weak and have red light leaked in the right edge of it.

    So I have the more serious problem...

  • by Deatheye,

    Deatheye Deatheye Sep 14, 2012 8:41 AM in response to Sebdude
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:41 AM in response to Sebdude

    Good luck!

     

    What did they do about it? I might go back to the Apple Store in Amsterdam

     

    2 weeks ago they didnt want to replace the Macbook and the manager didnt seem to know about the problem either. But the "genius" did and admitted that Samsung screens are better!

     

    They replaced my screen but this time the IR is even worse compared to my previous screen ):

  • by Sebdude,

    Sebdude Sebdude Sep 14, 2012 8:41 AM in response to luyi7338
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:41 AM in response to luyi7338

    Thats not good either dude, but since you have an LG screen it will develop IR sooner or later.. take it back dude, get it fixed, swaped or refunded.. 

  • by Sebdude,

    Sebdude Sebdude Sep 14, 2012 8:47 AM in response to Deatheye
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    Sep 14, 2012 8:47 AM in response to Deatheye

    @Deatheye

     

    Thanks dude!

     

    I think the same thing will just hapen as with your machine. The screen they'll replace will have even worse IR, and then it time go back see if they'll either replace or refund the machine. Thing is, I'm pretty sure that my next screen we'll have IR, and this just give me more ammo to hit them on head with, and make my case stronger to replace or refund the machine..

     

    but of course, if it does get a Sammy, I'll really really really really happy, besides for IR screen, its still a kick *** machine!

  • by saemick,

    saemick saemick Sep 14, 2012 9:54 AM in response to mittense
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    Sep 14, 2012 9:54 AM in response to mittense

    In light of this issue still being not only present, but extremely common apparently; would it simply be better to hold of on buying the rMBP all together?

     

    I have an old MBP (don't ask, it's that old) and put off buying one months ago b/c I knew the new models would be coming out. I then held off b/c I always like to give it a few months to see what "kinks" there are and how/if they get worked out, but it seems like it's almost better to just not chance dropping the $2500-$3000 for a new rMBP and simply:

     

    a. wait till this issue gets resolved (not likely any time soon)

    b. wait for the next gen of rMBP come out (who knows when that will be)

    c. just buy a new non-retina MBP (don't really want to spend almost /as much for a MBP that's bigger, heavier, and with a display that's not a nice (assuming a non-flawed retina display))

     

    so, for everyone who has one; is it still worth buying and hoping to win the Samsung lottery?

  • by fallen.angel,

    fallen.angel fallen.angel Sep 14, 2012 10:12 AM in response to mittense
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    Sep 14, 2012 10:12 AM in response to mittense

    Here's a summary of what I had to go through.

     

    My Mac wasn't an early build nor was it so late. It was built in July and delivered on August.

     

    The screen was manufactured by LG as confirmed by the LP tag in Terminal.

     

    Within a week I had login issues, it would often go to a black screen and just sit there for hours on end never logging in. Those required me to force reset the machine. Now, I didn't really care for this but it was still present. And yes, I reinstalled the machine at least 6 times.

     

    Meh, so who cares about that. What I cared about was functionality and IR. So within another few days I started having Wireless and Bluetooth issues. Often times the wireless would stop working (and yes, only my mac as no one else was affected on MULTIPLE networks). And on top of that, when this did happen my Bluetooth would be affected because my headphones would output a "clutchszz screech fpush screech" and so on. So that required me to restart both. I then proceeded to reinstall the darn thing another 4 times or so still experiencing the same issues.

     

    Oh, and I forgot to mention the hinge issue! When my Mac came, one side of the screen hinge was more loose and actually was a notch outside of the machine by a few milimeters compared to the other end of the hinge. Once again, didn't really care.

     

    Next started the IR. And oh boy was it bad.. I'd read an email on Hotmail, switch windows and voila it was there!

     

    Mind you, I spent NUMEROUS hours on the phone with Apple regarding these issues. I think my longest phone call was over 3 hours or so.

     

    Why didn't I send it in for a replacement earlier? Simple, my work and school life demand this machine. Especially my work as I was developing a CMS to be launched for a website during the summer.

     

    At first Apple said they couldn't do a replacement to Canada. But after arguing and being transferred from one rep to the other I started hitting the 'big players'. One is pretty knee deep in Apple, as I did a lookup on his name and his position etc. He assured me that this would get resolved, regardless of the policies Apple has in place. Also, he didn't put me on hold and he called me back (was the 3 hour phone call session). So he did call back, a replacement was setup.

     

    But due to work deadlines and no other machine available to me (I sold my old PC and laptop already) I just couldn't send it in. So that replacement was cancelled despite the senior saying that it would be active for 30 days.

     

    Another issue that developed later was the screen started showing white boxes on windows. It's very odd and I haven't seen it reported yet. I'll upload pictures when I get to it.

     

    Plus side to that? I got an apeasement gift. Was it worth it? Nope. I even said numerous times later that I'd rather send in my gift just to get this expedited.

     

    So a few more calls later, another replacement was set up. On the day I was heading out to send the machine I happened to check my voicemail. And lo behold, "Hi my name is _____ from Apple, etc. I cancelled your replacement order and would like to talk about the issues you're having with your Mac". That really really angered me. I immediately called Apple, and the rep on the phone said the same thing "So what issue are you having today with your Mac" DESPITE having my case number and case open. I then told him to READ THE NOTES I had on file. He spent exactly 23 minutes reading the notes. I was then transferred up the chain.

     

    After that ordeal I noticed whenever I called in I would be automatically transferred to a senior CR without even knowing.

     

    After spending a total of 7 hours on the phone (definitely more, just an estimate) I decided I'd want an upgrade too so I got a heavily discounted upgrade and then a replacement was setup 'again'. Third time's the charm?

     

    So my new Mac came in today. I immediately ripped it open and ran Terminal. And behold, it was a Samsung screen! So now I have a fully upgraded 2.7GHz 16GB RAM 768GB hard drive for near the price of the same but without 1 upgrade (as they did reimburse me when they released more config options and prices were lower).

     

    First things I noticed were the Samsung screen just looked better. It has more whites and honestly it looked more 'HD'. It just looked a **** lot nicer. The LG though I felt was more straight to the point. It was like it had no life, something was off. Also, the Samsung looks more like a screen you'd see in an Apple store. It just looks like a screen you'd want to buy. And lastly, NO IR.

     

    Though I have to say the Apple logo on back had a smudge and the box had scratches slightly on the manual that comes, and on the power bar. And the insides looked like they were kinda scratched. Not only that, the machine came to me in 2 days. Literally. Compared to the 9 (or was it 10?) days of my old machine. So I'm not starting a conspiracy but I feel like they forced sending me a Samsung one somehow.

     

     

    All I can say after all of this is, KEEP CALLING. Pull the right strings. You'll get what you want. Apple support is known to be the best but for some reason new Retina owners have been put in the dark. Keep calling. And don't be afraid to show attitude. Near the end the reps were afraid of me. Remember, you're the customer so you hold the power. You paid (in my case up to $3.7k) for the product and if it isn't darn near perfection you will definitely send the sucker back. Keep pestering Apple. They will slowly realize they need to look into this IR crap and sort it out for once. And ohhh booyyy am I loving my new Samsung screen <3 .

  • by stecube,

    stecube stecube Sep 14, 2012 10:12 AM in response to saemick
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    Sep 14, 2012 10:12 AM in response to saemick

    saemick wrote:

     

    so, for everyone who has one; is it still worth buying and hoping to win the Samsung lottery?

    I wouldn't have bought another one after I got my refund, if it wasn't really worth it (provided it's IR-free)!

     

    BTW, I posted an article about this whole IR issue on my blog: http://bit.ly/Qp5U7j

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