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Q: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?

I first noticed this after my MBP [Retina] had gone to sleep, but: when returning to the login screen (since I have it set to require a password whenever the computer is idle long enough) I noticed what appeared to a very faint ghosting primarily noticeable on darker backgrounds.

 

After messing around with it a bit, there seems to be a fairly consistent in-display ghosting that occurs without much time at all; I was able to leave my screen on (a little above half-brightness) for about 10-15 minutes and the ghosted "burn" would be of the screen I left it on (which I deliberately reconfigured so that everything would be a new position).

 

Has anyone else experienced this? Is this a normal thing that I just have to get used to? It's not really noticeable at all in standard use.

MacBook Pro (Retina, Mid 2012), Mac OS X (10.7.4)

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 10:30 PM

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  • by stecube,

    stecube stecube Sep 15, 2012 8:27 AM in response to Dr Sly
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    Sep 15, 2012 8:27 AM in response to Dr Sly

    Dr Sly wrote:

     

    So my newest rMBP (tricked out edition) with the very different looking LG screen (pinkish instead of morbid yellow, no image retention at purchase), now 5 days old, is...

     

    starting to exhibit image retention too!

    Dr Sly, any updates on your rMBP?

  • by Dr Sly,

    Dr Sly Dr Sly Sep 15, 2012 10:44 AM in response to stecube
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    Sep 15, 2012 10:44 AM in response to stecube

    Hi stecube,

     

    to recap, day 8 with my newer rMBP full-specced (2.7 / 16 / 768), with an LG display which is from week 34 and has a pinkish hue instead of the very pronounced yellow of my previous rMBP (from June, 3 displays in total, all LG, all IR and very yellow).

     

    So the IR, which was completely absent on the first two days, and very faint on days 3-5, is more obvious now:

     

    IMG_2610.jpg

     

    However, I am conlficted as to what to do about it. The rMBP is otherwise perfect, and even though I might just return it on a whim (still 6 days left on my 14 days return period), what am I supposed to hope for, really ? I might get an even worse LG display!

     

    Why am I shying away from a possible return this time around? Well, for starters, the IR is much more faint than the three previous ones, and it *does not occur after a few seconds only like it did with the others*...

     

    I'm hesitant to return it... Every time, it takes more time and energy to return the computer, buy another one, restore from backup (which is looooong), and I might not get a Samsung one.

     

    I'm starting to believe what I read, i.e., that all IPS, SIPS, AH-IPS, PIPS, etc, might have this issue. (well, maybe not the AH-IPS, since it's not clear how it differs from IPS tech in general and is more recent).

     

    Apple does advertise that it sells IPS panels on their rMBP website. Bummer that they don't advertise that they also get PLS (SPLS) panels from Samsung too, in a limited fashion, displays which are far superior to the ghosting LG displays...

     

    I don't have a PLS, you don't have a PLS, we mostly have IPS, they develop image retention, they all do, from Dell's to Lenovo's to Apple's... What to do ?

     

    Either return and expect some small probability of getting a Samsung PLS display, or live with it :-(

     

    But this LG panel of mine is leagues beyond what I had before, still.

     

    I'm not sure what to do! At least I can have it fixed on day 364 of my one year warranty, I suppose...

  • by dbainbridge,

    dbainbridge dbainbridge Sep 15, 2012 10:53 AM in response to Dr Sly
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    Sep 15, 2012 10:53 AM in response to Dr Sly

    The problem is is that it probably will continue to get worse.  Mine started out perfect, no IR, then a couple weeks later I started to notice it a bit, then last few days before returning it it was bad. 

  • by Dr Sly,

    Dr Sly Dr Sly Sep 15, 2012 11:00 AM in response to dbainbridge
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    Sep 15, 2012 11:00 AM in response to dbainbridge

    I know, it might get worse...

     

    I have until Sept. 21 to return it, so I'll test it every evening until then.

     

    I do have backups and another computer, it's just such a pain to return it and ask for another one. Hopefully I can buy another one first and see if it's a Samsung. My credit card will hate me!

  • by stecube,

    stecube stecube Sep 15, 2012 11:21 AM in response to Dr Sly
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    Sep 15, 2012 11:21 AM in response to Dr Sly

    If you can afford it, buy another one and ask for a refund of this on day 13 out of 14.

  • by chronomane,

    chronomane chronomane Sep 15, 2012 2:17 PM in response to mittense
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    Sep 15, 2012 2:17 PM in response to mittense

    I'm really feeling bad for all of you, who got a rMBP with a bad display. And I'm getting angry about the fact, that Apple seems to do nothing about it. Because, this machine is such an amazing one. I got mine just a week ago. One day before I could put it in my hands, I came across this thread an became very concerned. And what a relief when I turned it on, just to see this gorgeous screen! Perfect! It took me days, before I dared to look, if it was a samsung or LG. Samsung! No issues with the whole machine at all. OK, sometimes you see, that it is quite demanding for the hardware to handle so many pixels. But never an effect on usablility.

     

    I understand what a mess it is to spend so much money...and than get something, that is just not it!

     

    I'm really hoping, that it will turn out well for all of you. Eventually. It can't be, that Apple accepts, that this best ever Mac doesn't completlely satisfy everyone of their customers.

  • by rtnuser,

    rtnuser rtnuser Sep 15, 2012 2:25 PM in response to mittense
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    Sep 15, 2012 2:25 PM in response to mittense

    I got my screen replaced last week, and it was an LG again. Today I am starting to see a faint burn-in coming up... and probably its going to get worse.

     

    Booked a genius bar appointment next week, but I'm kind of getting tiered of calling and driving all the way to the apple store. Unfortunately I dont live next to one... but close enough its an hours drive...

     

    Also, since the computer it self is physically unstable (wobbly base - I think one of the rubber thingy is not well secured...) Im hoping they can give me a replacement.

     

    I don't like the idea they take in the computer and replace the screen several times... also last time I used a PC for a week, but I can-t afford anymore days without my mac...

     

    I NEED THIS ISSUE FIXED ASAP! especially for a machine that cost a fortune.... I would expect some Apple Quality Product... Even a PC doensn't show image burn-in issues...

  • by brad-apple,

    brad-apple brad-apple Sep 15, 2012 3:04 PM in response to mittense
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:04 PM in response to mittense

    Okay, so I haven't posted yet, but have been following this thread for the past 3-4 weeks.  I had a gorgeous rMBP (and we have 5 Macs in our home, including a Macbook Pro, an LED Cinema Display, a Time Capsule, an Airport Extreme--you get the idea) and I told my wife (a professor) that this was by far the most amazing Mac I have ever owned.

     

    Until IR started showing.  I returned it through AppleCare and got an advance replacement, after spending hours on the phone.  That one was also an LG.  Returned them both, then starting going down to Apple Stores in my area, explaining exactly what was going on, telling them I'm willing to pay $700 more than I wanted to (to save myself the time & trouble that Apple manufacturing seemed unwilling to do for me), to purchase a 2.7/16GB/768GB, instead of getting the 2.6/16GB/500GB that I'd BTO'ed--*twice*--previously, but that I'd be returning it within the 3-5 min it would take to boot it up and determine whether or not it was a Samsung or LG.

     

    Did that twice, at two different Apple Stores (both were LGs, unfortunately for me and them--and Apple--lot of time wasted for them & me!), then finally got to a 3rd store with a technician who would check Ripley to see if any of their fully loaded models had Samsungs (no: Apple Corporate, even if you look up my Apple ID, I *did not* get anyone at the stores where I *purchased* them from to do this--so no way to punish that store or employee who was simply doing their best to satisfy a customer--because this was all verbal between me and them!!) ...  No luck, they had no LGs in the batch of the fully-loaded ones they had.  I tried another store who said their Ripley system seemed to be 'down' at the moment.

     

    Waited a week and called back the Apple employee at the original store who'd checked, to see if they'd gotten in a new batch of fully loaded rMBPs.  He said he'd check and call me back, "Hmmm, he said, Ripley is down, or doesn't work now to check what the hardware is in it."

     

    So, I assume some dipsh*t in Apple Corporate figures they'll try to nip this in the bud by updating Ripley to disallow the stores to determine what kind of hardware a unit contains.

     

    Sounds like the end of the Steve Jobs era.  I own more than $200k in Apple stock.  The company has made me a very wealthy man, but I'm selling it now (well, after the runup to the iPhone 5 launch success anyway).

     

    I still believe the rMBP is an awesome machine.  I'm personally going to wait until the Haswell machines come in, hopefully by this Spring.  I think the iPhone 5 is a very slick update (not revolutionary), but much better than my current 3GS!  So I'll continue to be a customer, but I will be reducing my holdings in the company.

     

    Clearly Apple has seen its glory days.  Reminds me of the fall of Microsoft in some ways.  Sad to see.

     

    Anyone else contemplating buying a rMBP: Wait.  If at all possible, wait.  Stretch that current laptop's life out as long as you can.  They will eventually fix it.  But the methods they are choosing to employ to deal with current, loyal customers are so clearly showing a company that no longer cares, and has executives who care little about Apple's reputation.  Tim probably cares still, but it seems clear that whoever in either PR or manufacturing, or whoever's fiefdom is threatened by this, is covering their own *ss and not doing right by customers.  Ultimately, Tim (and Steve before him) is responsible for setting up an environment where these types of executives act in these ways, so in the end the buck stops there anyway.

     

    Good luck Dr. Sly and everyone else who feels they must own one of these clearly flawed machines (thanks Canuck1970, even though you're banned now this week--perhaps I will be too after this post--but I have no interest in spending any more time on this issue)...  See you all around.

  • by quintex,

    quintex quintex Sep 15, 2012 3:30 PM in response to Dr Sly
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    Sep 15, 2012 3:30 PM in response to Dr Sly

    I can assure you, with 100% certainty, that the opposite is true. The majority of IPS displays do NOT have image persistence. I would consider myself an IPS fanatic. Although IPS technology wasn't (and still isn't) a familiar term I have been using, and only using, all variations of IPS screens since the late 90's. As I had previously mentioned I'm still using a 6 year old Thinkpad T60p with IPS screen with no image persistence issues. I had to purchase and install the IPS display into my Thinkpad myself because I will never use a TN display. For my work I cannot tolerate crappy TN displays even in a laptop. In my 14+ years of using IPS displays for image critical work I have only seen image persistence once. It was a desktop IPS monitor manufactured by LG. I have never seen image persistence from any other manufacturer and I've literally used them all. I always pay very close attention to who the panel manufacturer is even when the monitor is branded by another OEM. Although the general public will never notice each panel manufacturer has slightly different characterstics. For someone like me these variations are enormous. To be fair I have also used some other very high end monitors, with LG panels, which had no issues. Also keep in mind that although I have only seen image persistence once I only use very high end monitors. Its possible that image persistence is more common in lower end panels.

     

    Everyone has to decide whether or not image persistence will affect their work. However, given that image persistence isn't that common it was definitely in Apple's control not design this into a top of the line flagship product. My guess is that Apple didn't have an "image persistence" clause in the vendor contract they signed with LG. Now they are stuck having to use these panels. From this legal perspective I guess it would technically be true that the LG panels are "within spec."

     

     

    I'm starting to believe what I read, i.e., that all IPS, SIPS, AH-IPS, PIPS, etc, might have this issue. (well, maybe not the AH-IPS, since it's not clear how it differs from IPS tech in general and is more recent).

     

     

  • by krnorth,

    krnorth krnorth Sep 15, 2012 4:01 PM in response to mittense
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    Sep 15, 2012 4:01 PM in response to mittense

    Dang you Apple for not letting me spend my money!

     

    I wanted to buy a retina until I saw these type of threads pop-up all over...ugh! I'd like to update my Core 2 Duo and my i5 to one unit instead of carrying two for different purposes...and the 15" would have done that...but I want lighter weight so the non-retina is out in a 15"...and I'll be durned if I'm going to spend 2k+ on an Air that's really only about 70% better than what I have now when a nice retina comparably is almost 300% better!

     

    UGH...dang you Apple....DANG YOU APPLE!!!!!!

  • by illest.,

    illest. illest. Sep 15, 2012 4:03 PM in response to mittense
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    Sep 15, 2012 4:03 PM in response to mittense

    Just purchased my rMBP at my local Apple Store (Walnut Creek, CA) and it shown that I have a Samsung Screen and the build week was 36.

  • by Dr Sly,

    Dr Sly Dr Sly Sep 15, 2012 4:41 PM in response to quintex
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    Sep 15, 2012 4:41 PM in response to quintex

    Thank you Quintex, this is very useful information !

  • by Metal God,

    Metal God Metal God Sep 15, 2012 6:41 PM in response to mittense
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    Sep 15, 2012 6:41 PM in response to mittense

    I had a build week 36 (August). LG screen. Horrible IR.

     

    My replacement arrived yesterday. A Samsung screen.

  • by dbainbridge,

    dbainbridge dbainbridge Sep 15, 2012 7:03 PM in response to Metal God
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    Sep 15, 2012 7:03 PM in response to Metal God

    Metal: what was the configuration?  I haven't seen if anyone determined if there was some correlation between build to order ones, standard configs and/or certain configurations.. or if all variations might have an LG screen. 

  • by Metal God,

    Metal God Metal God Sep 15, 2012 7:32 PM in response to dbainbridge
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    Sep 15, 2012 7:32 PM in response to dbainbridge

    Exact same for both dbainbridge. Fully loaded. 2.7 GHz, 16gb, 768GB HD.

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