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  • flat earth Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    I was considering ordering a 2.7 GHZ model but with that operating temperature, I think I'll stick to the 2.6 GHz.

     

    I just returned from the Apple Store and looked at their displays. This is the third time that I have made the trek to the Apple Store just to view the displays on the rMBP.   I was curious to see if they have displays with IR on the floor now that they've tacitly acknowledged IR.  I didn't bring either the Chipmonk URL or the Apple URL for determining build week, but I did bring the terminal sequence for figuring out whether the display was LG or Samsung.  The first two displays I looked at both had mild Image Retention and both checked out as LG.  The third one was a Samsung with no IR.  I began trying to determine if a display was an LSN (Samsung) or an LP (LG) just by looking for IR.  The next three machines, I went 3 for 3 guessing correctly.  In all, there were 3 LG's and 3 Samsung.   Apple was not trying to stack the deck in their favor and have only Samsung on display and the only way to notice the IR is using the dark grey solid color desktop.

     

    I also checked out the white point of each machine and used the color calibration in system preferences.  They all looked uniformly white with no detectable tints or differences to my eye between the LG's and the Samsungs under the store lighting conditions.

     

    I hate to say this, but I don't think that Apple will be fixing the IR issue before the next update.  I think that the vast majority of buyers never notice the IR and don't care. I think that  Apple consideres the rest of us  picky malcontents of such insignificant numbers that we are a non-issue.  To be truthful, the IR that I saw on the display machines in the store would have been acceptable to me... EXCEPT that I know from this thread that the problem gets progressively worse with time.

  • Usmaak Level 1 Level 1 (50 points)

    Apples to oranges (haha), but my MBA will easily get up to 100 degrees C.  I first noticed it when I had a runaway process that pegged my processor.  When the fan does come on, it ramps up slowly, to keep the temperature somewhere around 100 degrees.  Coming from Windows, that scared the heck out of me.  I considered taking it to the Apple store, but I asked around on macrumors and here (I think), and I was told that it is normal.  I was told that Apple always goes for quiet over low temperatures.  It usually idles between 48 and 55 C.

     

    My wife and I both have MBAs.  I have the stronger processor.  She has the weaker processor and her's will get up to 97 degrees C.  So really, they exhibit similar thermal characteristics.  Her's is probably a few degrees cooler because it's not the stronger processor.

    rrahimi wrote:

     

     

    I've got a 2.7GHz model and I routinely see temperatures of around 100'C on my CPU cores! I'm using "Temperature Gauge" from the Apple App Store to monitor everything. What kind of temperatures were you seeing before you had them replace the thermal paste?

     

     

    Hmm. Fans should kick in and bring that 100C down quickly. In fact I thought they wouldn't let it get that hot.

     

    On my MBP, fans keep the temp below 60 most of the time. Maybe it's expected behaviour on rMBP.

  • JDThree Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    I regularly hit 100 - 105 c on my RMBP when I have a video playing, or certain websites.  Fans don't really kick in to bring it down from there by themselves - they do ramp up about half speed and keep it from getting hotter, but I've always noticed how hot this thing runs with certain things active.  I have istat menus 3 monitoring and usually use it to crank the fans manually to high to get it back down to  a regular temp.  Oddly enough, I have *never* seen the fans go to high on their own, even at those temps.  They always get about half way to their max.  But I can set it to the max manually with no problem.

     

    I have the 2.3 i7 rMBP

  • Chainspell Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Err I don't think that's normal, even before my repaste I would never reach anywhere near 100 degrees.  Maybe your iStat is wrong, did it say so for smcfc as well? 

  • JronMasteR Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    These temperatures are actually perfectly normal. Every Sandybridge or Ivybrigdge Macbook Pro gets well over 90°C under full load.

     

    The Ivybridge CPU's are made to withstand 105°C before shutting down to prevent any damage.

     

    With 60-70°C under heavy load your sourly reading the CPU Proximity temperature, and not the actual CPU Diode temperature.

    In the current istat menus version the CPU 2 is the CPU Diode sensor. On the istat widget however, the CPU Diode temperature is not listed for the rMBP.

  • Locoroco Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    @flat earth

    Thank you for your information.  It is great to know that there are flawless Samsungs out there.

  • braw Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    JD, I had the same issue with mine, and I suspected it might be iStatMenu because I was having to manually crank up the fans. I uninstalled iStatMenu and reset the SMC, the fans started kicking in like they should.

     

    I suggest trying to reset the SMC, and if that doesn't work, uninnstall iStat and reset the SMC.

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3964

  • mzamoras Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I just want to share my experience with my rMBP. I ordered through apple store, 2.6/16GB/512GB and received about july 26th or so after 4 week waiting.

     

    2 or 3 weeks later I started to notice the IR on the LG screen, after a brief internet research I decide to call for warranty and for full machine replacement but was refused, the offered change the display only if the store considered that way. The guy at the store agree to request a screen replacement so I ask him to make a note into the order and specify "the custmer wants a Samsung screen if possible". I had to wait about 10 days to get the piece, and today I take the rMBP to the store for screen replacement.

     

    I had a big surprise at the store when notice that I actually received a Samsung display ( checked on terminal) , so I'll start to test the new screen, but so far the IR has gone.

     

    I was afraid to go through the story of changing displays over and over untill get a Samsung one, but luckily for me I got it at first try, the guy at the store told me that the piece came marked as new part number and the original one appeared as discontinued, so he thinks apple is no longer delivering the faulty part.

  • johns1 Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    I just returned from the Apple Store and looked at their displays. This is the third time that I have made the trek to the Apple Store just to view the displays on the rMBP.   I was curious to see if they have displays with IR on the floor now that they've tacitly acknowledged IR.  I didn't bring either the Chipmonk URL or the Apple URL for determining build week, but I did bring the terminal sequence for figuring out whether the display was LG or Samsung.  The first two displays I looked at both had mild Image Retention and both checked out as LG.  The third one was a Samsung with no IR.  I began trying to determine if a display was an LSN (Samsung) or an LP (LG) just by looking for IR.  The next three machines, I went 3 for 3 guessing correctly.  In all, there were 3 LG's and 3 Samsung.   Apple was not trying to stack the deck in their favor and have only Samsung on display and the only way to notice the IR is using the dark grey solid color desktop.

     

    I also checked out the white point of each machine and used the color calibration in system preferences.  They all looked uniformly white with no detectable tints or differences to my eye between the LG's and the Samsungs under the store lighting conditions.

     

    I hate to say this, but I don't think that Apple will be fixing the IR issue before the next update.  I think that the vast majority of buyers never notice the IR and don't care. I think that  Apple consideres the rest of us  picky malcontents of such insignificant numbers that we are a non-issue.  To be truthful, the IR that I saw on the display machines in the store would have been acceptable to me... EXCEPT that I know from this thread that the problem gets progressively worse with time.

    Although there are many cited examples in this thread, its not necessary the case that the IR gets progressively worse in every instance.  I'd only had two to play with any long term use, I still haven't found any changes 2 months later using a LG panel.  Haven't subjected the laptop to a lot of heat either.  

     

    Probably right on the mark against "I hate to say this, but I don't think that Apple will be fixing the IR issue before the next update.  I think that the vast majority of buyers never notice the IR and don't care. I think that  Apple consideres the rest of us  picky malcontents of such insignificant numbers that we are a non-issue."

  • MattC85 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ordered mine a week ago, 2.6/16/512.  LG.

     

    Model:- MacBook Pro (Retina, Mid 2012) (CTO)
    Codename:- No codename assigned.
    Build Country:- This unit was built in China
    Build Year:- This unit was built in the second half of 2012.
    Build Week- Week 14 (March) or week 41 (September)
    Production Nr.:- This unit was number 502 to be built that week.
  • JDThree Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    Braw, mine has done this since the day I got it, no software at all for temps or fan control.  Fans never kicked in high, and I've reset the SMC and PRAM many many times.  That's why I started trying various temp programs so I could monitor it and help crank up the fans when needed.

     

    Every temp app I've used (except smcfancontrol which couldn't read anything on the new RMBP) shows the same temps.  I regularly hit 220 F (since I monitor mine in F not C) when I'm watching vids.  But anything else it behaves better.  Muxing MKV's, Parallels doing heavy work in my Windows 7 VM, nothing else gets it anywhere near that high.  Generally I'm sitting around 150 F or so with normal stuff, 130 to 140 when just doing email and such.  And the few other people I know wiht RMBP's (one who  got it first week like me, another who got about  a month ago) both have identical behavior. 

     

    Biggest question is how reliable are the apps, and have they truly been calibrated for the new hardware.  I usually work with it on my lap, and even when it's nearly too hot to touch the top above the F5 and F6 keys, the bottom isn't that hot to touch, so it gets toasty, but not as uncomfortable as the top does...  Everything shows the same temps, but that doesn't mean it's accurate... I wouldn't be surprised to find that it's *NOT* hitting the 105c range like things show, and that's why the RMBP isn't kicking in the fans...

  • Danny Swish Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    I'm at the Apple Store Genius Bar right now, let's see what happens. I know there are some good people here.

  • MattC85 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    MattC85 wrote:

     

    Ordered mine a week ago, 2.6/16/512.  LG.

     

    Model:- MacBook Pro (Retina, Mid 2012) (CTO)
    Codename:- No codename assigned.
    Build Country:- This unit was built in China
    Build Year:- This unit was built in the second half of 2012.
    Build Week- Week 14 (March) or week 41 (September)
    Production Nr.:- This unit was number 502 to be built that week.

     

    Tested positive for image retention after the first try.  Got worse after the second try.  Returning this tomorrow, not buying a new one.  Also, the apple logo on the lid is super pink. 

  • Danny Swish Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Just got done with the Genius Bar. They've taken my beloved to the Apple Center of Magical Repairs. I would've done the in-store repair, but they convinced me it would take longer (I live in a pretty busy place), so off it went. I tried to get him to assure me that a replacement WOULD be made, no such promise was given. But he did write down to ask specifically for a Samsung brand screen, though he said they would probably ignore that. They also said that they'd do their own tests in the back first, regardless the evidence I showed them of the issue. I'm assuming they meant that checkerboard thing they've got. I'll be pretty ticked off if they call me up tomorrow and tell me it "passed" their tests.

  • Danny Swish Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    great news, I just read the terms and conditions on the back of the repair receipt I got, the terms seem entirely on the customers side, it states in multiple forms that you cannot be turned down for a repair as long as a defect is present and as long as you are within the warranty period. They're also nice enough to mention that NOBODY at apple has the authorization to go against the terms. You guys who are having trouble getting your display repaired really should read up.