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MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?

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  • Jajaba Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 2:07 PM (in response to malkan)

    I actually started off trying to post both full internal pics but the images are to big to post here with any detail.  You can do it yourself easily though, here's the link to the new Apple internal image:

     

    http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/design-retina/

     

    Scroll to the Bottom view of the case and mouse over it to see inside.  Note, to save image you have to do a screen capture or use the 'grab' app otherwise it saves as the closed view.

     

    Here is the iFixit link to the original 2012 internals:  HERE  Just scroll down to the open bottom view, if you click it you'll get a high res image.  Also several other internal detailed images on this page.

     

    I did not notice any other significant changes on the new 2013 Apple image.

  • shayster98 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 2:26 PM (in response to Jajaba)

    That picture on Apple's site has always been there since the release of the 15" rMBP last summer. It's still the same one.

     

    As for everyone saying the Retina screen is causing IR, it isn't. It's the new lamination process that allows the top lid to be much thinner and the pixels to look like they're right on the surface of the glass, all while reducing glare.

     

    While aesthically this lamination process is miles ahead of the old design, the new iMac (which has the same panel that didn't have IR before) got this new process as well, and now look. It has IR too.

     

    So no, it's probably not the high pixel density causing the image persistence.

  • NNEU Calculating status...
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    Feb 16, 2013 3:02 PM (in response to shayster98)

    Excuse me, but what you are saying is false and total nonsense.

  • DomdiDom Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 3:04 PM (in response to shayster98)

    shayster98 wrote:

     

    That picture on Apple's site has always been there since the release of the 15" rMBP last summer. It's still the same one.

     

    As for everyone saying the Retina screen is causing IR, it isn't. It's the new lamination process that allows the top lid to be much thinner and the pixels to look like they're right on the surface of the glass, all while reducing glare.

     

    While aesthically this lamination process is miles ahead of the old design, the new iMac (which has the same panel that didn't have IR before) got this new process as well, and now look. It has IR too.

     

    So no, it's probably not the high pixel density causing the image persistence.

    And you know this because?

  • DomdiDom Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 3:05 PM (in response to NNEU)

    NNEU wrote:

     

    Excuse me, but what you are saying is false and total nonsense.

    And you know this because?

  • shayster98 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 3:09 PM (in response to NNEU)

    Oh it's just a theory, I want to clarify that.

     

    It kind of makes sense though. The new iMacs have IR even though the panel they use is the same as the previous generation, which DIDN'T have it. The only factor that changed was this lamination process.

     

    I've been following this thread since the beginning, so I know a little bit about this issue. You don't have to deem what I'm saying as "total nonsense" immediately without thinking a bit about it first. But no, I'm not asking you to agree with me; as I said it's just a theory.

  • NNEU Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 3:18 PM (in response to DomdiDom)

    OK, could you please explain how a glass plate causes IR ? If there was a phosphorus layer on the glass which creates the brightness on the screen, that would be possible, but since that is not the case, it is not possible that this is the cause.

     

    The IR is normal for IPS screens.

     

    Super PLS screens are based on IPS Technology, but do not suffer from Image Retention.

     

    PS: The screen  technology of the iMac screen changed from regular LCD to IPS.

  • Jajaba Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 3:23 PM (in response to shayster98)

    Well the current Apple sites internal picture is significantly different than the internal pictures from iFixit's actual production unit pictures in the battery area, it's definately a completely differently machining of the upper chasis.  This combined with the new repair manuals reference to a pentalobe screwdriver / battery cover as 'not shown' leads me to comclude that they have changed the chassis and battery mounting.  The original (before 2013 update) units have no 'battery cover' or any screws holding the batteries in place, they are glued down.  So if the current Apple pic (as you claim) is the same one from the initial release that implies that Apple changed the tooling / machining after that picture was taken but before production began....  So are you sure that the current Apple image is the exact same as the one that was on the site the day the released the product? 

     

    Here's another view of the production rMBP machining for the battery area, compare that to the current Apple site internal image.  I think you'll agree they are significantly different.  It's possible they changed from an earlier design 'picture' prior to initial production but I think it's more likely they updated to a more recent pic of the newest (2013) design on the website.

     

    ifixitbattview2.jpg

     

    Also your info about the lamination process being the cause of the IR ????  Where did you come up that???  How do you explain the fact that all Samsung displays have shown NO sign of IR whatsoever?  Do you have any facts to back up your that lamination is the cause? 

  • Jajaba Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 3:49 PM (in response to NNEU)

    @NNEU

     

    Sorry but all IPS and Super PLS type displays are all LCD technology.  Phosphorus does not cause IR with LCD technology, the phosphorus (if used) is for color and not for any form of lighting of the displays, all notebook LCD's (IPS, PLS etc.) use backlighting to shine through the LCD panel in order to see images, the actual LCD panel itself produces no light at all.

     

    To clarify what causes LCD IR...  In an LCD panel IR is caused by the loss of a pixels crystals ability to return to it's 'relaxed' or closed state completely.  Think of it as a window with shutter blinds, if the blinds can't close all the way light will leak through the blind.  In our case for some reason certain LG displays are showing certain groups of pixels that are not returning to there fully closed state as quickly as they should.  I'ts most appearent when going from a bright high contrast image to a solid dark image for obvious reason if you think about whats happening.  What is causing this is the mystery....

     

    IR is in no way normal for IPS technology!  I have three high gamut IPS displays, 2 NEC and 1 Eizo (all made by LG) as well as an IPS iPhone 4, iPhone 5, iPad 3 and iPod touch...  NONE OF THEM SHOW ANY SIGNS OF IR!  NOR DO THE SAMSUNG rMBP's.

  • shayster98 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 3:52 PM (in response to Jajaba)

    Jajaba wrote:

     

    Also your info about the lamination process being the cause of the IR ????  Where did you come up that???  How do you explain the fact that all Samsung displays have shown NO sign of IR whatsoever?  Do you have any facts to back up your that lamination is the cause? 

    There aren't any Samsung panels in the iMacs, so I was comparing LGs to LGs. If there were Samsung-made displays in those new 2012 iMacs, maybe there wouldn't be IR either, because they're better at the lamination (also just a theory)?

     

    The reason the iMacs WERE so late in the first place was because LG was having trouble producing good panels with the lamination. Could severe IR be one of those factors?

     

    I'm not saying this is true, it's just my guesswork.

     

    I think it's more likely they updated to a more recent pic of the newest (2013) design on the website.

    It looks the same as the old photo they had before; I don't think they'd Photoshop off all the labels the vendors have stamped on their chipsets all over again just to use a newer photograph of a barely visible chassis revision. Though really I don't think this matters; what does is if iFixit can get their hands on this revision (or at least the rumored Haswell update this summer) and report if there is indeed a more upgradable battery.

     

    EDIT: I just went to one of those "Wayback Machine" sites that archive old websites weekly, and I went back to Apple's rMBP Design page from August 2012, and the images were identical.

  • Jajaba Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 4:02 PM (in response to mittense)

    Ironically I have the news on and they just reviewed the new LG 84" IPS 4K TV (3840 x 2160 - 8MP)  available now for only $16,999....  Hope they have any IR issues worked out before they ship them....

  • mapple2012 Calculating status...
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    Feb 16, 2013 6:52 PM (in response to mittense)

    I've been following this thread from close to the beginning. Because it's helped me avoid  LGs, I feel compelled to contribute.

     

    I'll spare you all my lottery playing history with the first rMBP that was purchased for my spouse back in September/November 2012. Suffice to say, after ~6 lottery tickets, we landed a Samsung.

     

    I very recently purchased a 2nd (x3 due to playing the lottery) rMBP 15". I'm writing to notify you all that it appears the problem has been solved.

     

    As I mentioned, my second and most recent lottery playing involved purchasing 3 rMBP 15" laptops for myself (2.7/16/500). All 3 laptops had Samsung screens (although I sure hope Apple hasn't started misleading customers with the Terminal ioreg script) and a HD name of "SD512E."  All 3 laptops were identical. It appears they've stopped selling LG displays (in the US, at least). Also, the laptops shipped from Pennsylvania and not China/Asia.

  • mapple2012 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 7:00 PM (in response to mapple2012)

    (I purchased all 3 rMBPs at the same time, earlier this month)

  • Jajaba Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 16, 2013 7:32 PM (in response to mapple2012)

    Were they new or refurbs?  There have been several people who have ordered refurbs recently and they have also shipped from PA.  Also why do you think this indicates, in any way, that Apple stopped using LG displays?  I don't see any reason to think they stopped using LG just because you got 3 samsungs on the same order, they produce ~100,000 of these per month.  I'm sure it's common to have pallets shipping with all the same displays based on how production lines work, Samsung or LG displays come in by the 100's or 1000's and the assembly line will get a stack of one or the other as they are assembled then packed and shipped generally in the same order.  Now that sales have slowed after the holidays, and in general for PC's, Apple will have more inventory on hand here in the US.

     

    FYI: Apple has 5 regional warehouses in th US (PA is one of them) so the fact they shipped from the US does not mean anything as with regards to manufacturing location or what screen is installed, they all still come from foxconn in China.

  • assad111 Calculating status...
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    Feb 17, 2013 7:28 AM (in response to Jajaba)

    The Samsung / LG retina lottery can still be played for now, but not for much longer as Samsung's deal to supply LCD screens ends this year:

     

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/10/22/samsung-announces-it-will-sto p-shipping-apple-displays/

     

    The only way to avoid this Apple farce with the Retina display is to either

     

    • Buy the non-Retina MBP before they are discontinued

    • Avoid Apple products altogether as the IPad/IPhone also have this image-retention problem (as they are purely LG supplied screens)

     

     

    Good luck!

     

    A    (I sold all my Apple shares at $670 and will never buy them again!)

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