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  • BMW M3 Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    1st: relatively dim screen at max brightness (LG display), case creaking

    2nd: '-5010D' error code when trying to do internet recovery after hanging on gray startup screen

    3rd: terrible battery life on basic usage, case creaking

  • brsm1990 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    They're still using these junk LG displays?  Terrible.


    I've had all the same problems but in the same computer.  Once you get past the first two weeks they refuse to replace it they just screw you with and endless repair loop.  Over 30 days and counting for me.

  • x0054 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Having looked at both the 2012 and the 2013 model, on the inside, it looks like the 2012 model had less of the little spring loaded standoffs, which are the culprits in about 1/2 of the case creaking cases. Also, the 2012 model used magnets, rather then clips, in the center of the bottom pan. Those clips make noise when pressed in as well. Not sure why they made the switch.


    The 2012 model I have has a Samsung screen, which is rather yellow. I am getting Spider4 to try t calibrate it, will let you know what happens. My guess is, each screen has to be calibrated separately, because the color profile JoshD uploaded made my computer way red, but it’s better in terms of color reproduction.


    I would love for some one with Dell XPS 15 Touch ( to comment here. That laptop has same DPI display as the rMBP, a bit more pixels actually. It would be very interesting to see if it has the same tinting or IR issues. Any one has one?

  • samuelk0814 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I don't own one personally but according to people in the XPS 15 Haswell Owners' Lounge people are very satisfied with the XPS 15 and its screen.

    A quote from one of the owners:


    I just calibrated the display on the XPS 15. Average delta-e is 0.88. This is the most color-accurate display I have ever worked with. About 120cd/m2 at 30% brightness. Seems like there is a minor amount of view-angle gamma shift, but nothing bothersome, at all. Colors stay true at all angles. This panel continues to blow me away, My photos have never looked better. Image detail at 1800p is intoxicating. 16gb of ram and quadcore Haswell cut through large image files like butter. You can even paint edits directly on the image with touch. This thing is a killer photo rig.


    Hard for me to say it as a Apple fan but looks like the current Dell > Apple

  • MacOSX10.6 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    But what people always forget here: a Dell would ask you to install either Windows or Linux.


    Now I am not familar with Windows as I haven't used any one version since Windows NT a long time ago; but can testify as one who uses it in his desktop computer every day for many hours that Linux is unuseable as a consumer OS.

  • x0054 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It's not about Dell being better then Apple or vice versa. I asked that question because, if the dell screen is defect free (for the most part) then, why the **** isn’t Apple using the same panel! Dell sources their panels from 3rd party manufacturers just like Apple, if there is truly a batter retinal resolution panel out there, Apple has NO Excuse for not using it.

  • Merch Visoiu Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    x0054 wrote:


    if the dell screen is defect free (for the most part) then, why the **** isn’t Apple using the same panel!


    In the 2004 WWDC keynote for OS X Tiger, Steve Jobs introduced the new Cinema Display by saying, "Our competitors buy the panels we reject." If that was ever true it's certainly not anymore.

  • RIVERSTALKER Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    no matter how many of the new macbooks are affected, if i buy a PRO there is no room for ir, crackling, bad battery or keyboard rattling.


    my late 2013 13inch had rattling arrow buttons and some others too, sometimes just the right side of the keyboard worked. apple forced me to put in an usb device to avoid trackpad / keyboard freezes and they released a statement that we have to CLOSE THE LID for a few minutes if the system hangs. at least i havent seen any image retention. no wonder cause i threw mine back in the store within the 14 days as i wasent even able to type in my password one day.


    big big crap, everything has gone completely wrong. are we even sure that they are selling new devices ? people posted crazy things in some threads. dust inside the usb ports, scratches along the charging port and so on ...


    in my eyes its like that: i you spend your money for this PREMIUM product, there is a big chance that you have to face with problems from the first day on (bad build quality, crazy operating system and so on). if you can stand all this or may received a perfect device then i bet some day you will have trouble with ir or anything else which just means you will have to deal with apple support and then go for repairs if they accept your problems.


    in the previous post i read the steve jobs thing: our competitors buy the panels we reject which means to me that other manufacturers just feed on apples ****.


    telling folks to CLOSE THE LID of brandnew top notch rockets is the core melt accident ...

  • brsm1990 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    In the 2004 WWDC keynote for OS X Tiger, Steve Jobs introduced the new Cinema Display by saying, "Our competitors buy the panels we reject." If that was ever true it's certainly not anymore.


    Yea sounds like Apple is now buying dells rejects!

  • brsm1990 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    So it sure sounds like 2013 is NOT an upgrade.  What is a guy to do that has switched over completely to Apple that needs a laptop capable of high end photo editing and video editing?  Switch *back* to PC? 


    Anybody notice you no longer get discrete graphics even the base 15" Retina model now?  Some "pro".

    I really wish I could get OS X to run on PC hardware reliably.  Linux would be fine except all of the Adobe, FCP, etc. programs are not available for it.  Windows is awful.  Rock and a hard place here.

  • Colonel.Cool Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I know It is easy to say but the sad truth is that Apple died with Steve. It was his company and always has been and he would have never let this go for so long. Tim Cook does not give a **** and this is the sad truth.

  • brsm1990 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    It certainly seems that way.  It's not just the laptops look at the problems with iPhone batteries and things like that.

  • Colonel.Cool Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'm done with Apple. Sure it's still hype for now but soon it will pass and people will be tired of exchanging their devices and move on. And if the next osx looks as bad as iOS7 then no one will want to use it anymore lol. Windows will win again.

  • brsm1990 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    Windows 8 is horrific. 


    What we need is the key programs to be made available for linux. 

  • M5Marco Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    JoshD: I did some more checking and indeed to my eyes the screen starts off a brighter light gray and then changes to what seems like maybe a yellow/greenish tint. Like I said, dimming might play a roll in this as well, but this is what I observed.


    I'm wondering if this points to a software issue? Is it possible Apple could update Mac OS X and enhance the screen? Even further than someone with spyder 4 could?


    I also wonder if you believe hardware is also a factor in all this? Too much backlight coming through on these displays? If you remember my comparison, the late 2011 MBP (with solid black background, brightness at 100%) had a flat black color to it. Yes with brightness cranked up the screen became more bright, but it was an even flat black color (if you know what I'm trying to say). The late 2013 rMBP with same background and brightness has a (as I can try describe it) a YELLOWISH BLACK, due to the backlight on these panels coming through? Is it just the nature of these panels when Apple switched to retina displays?


    I also believe that the lower left corner of the screen is still alittle more "dirty" looking with light grays and whites from webpages. Might be my eyes playing tricks because I became fixated on that particluar spot, but it's what I think I see. Not sure what the Samsung display issues really are, the one good thing I can sure say is that there is not a hint of image retention.


    Is it at all possible the Samsung displays are functioning as intended and it is the LG panels that are off? Image retention is definitely a screen issue, no doubt about that, but with the LG panels being more "cold" (blue) is it possible that is not supposed to be that way? Maybe the LG panels are supposed to be warmer like Samsung's? And the issue arising is everyone is comparing the two panels and seeing the difference but we don't know which one is correct.


    I'd like to know your thought on all this. Thanks.