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  • jedlh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Jedhl, please stop responding to anything I say and I'll do the same as I cannot hide you from the feed. I have several opinions about you, but I'm going to keep those to myself.  I'd appreciate the same courtesy. I simply see your posts as pot stirring.  And I think others might as well. 

     

    That's nice, I was making a valid point, nice of you to completely ignore it & get personal again.

  • BarrettF77 Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    Obviously you're simply an instigator or just plain absent minded.  So I'll put this in laymen's terms for ya.   Stop quoting me as you seem to enjoy it.  I've been polite, then less, and now I'm tiring of it.  I suppose there's a troll on every forum.  I guess you're ours.  

  • brdeveloper Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well... Apple doesn't have competitors in the very same spec, I guess. Dell Precisions are using IGZO tech, while W-series Lenovos use IPS in lower resolutions. That is, the only sample we have are retina macbooks. We basically call malfunctioning what we see in these rMBPs because of the advertising on the Apple's site:

     

    "The Retina display reduces glare while maintaining incredible color and quality. Its high contrast ratio results in blacker blacks and whiter whites. And everything in between is rich and vibrant. IPS technology gives you a wide, 178-degree view of everything on the screen, so you’ll see the difference at practically any angle. And you’re going to love what you see."

  • jedlh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    BarrettF77 wrote:

    Obviously you're simply an instigator or just plain absent minded.  So I'll put this in laymen's terms for ya.   Stop quoting me as you seem to enjoy it.  I've been polite, then less, and now I'm tiring of it.  I suppose there's a troll on every forum.  I guess you're ours.

    I've made it abundantly clear what I'm getting at, if that's hurts your ego, well, there's not much I can do there.

    I've made it very clear from the outset that there's nothing personal, you've chosen to take it that way...

    I'll quote you whenever I see fit, so long as it's remotely on-topic, which often isn't the case, but there's hope.

  • Merch Visoiu Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    brdeveloper wrote:

     

    if it had no IR and suffered from uniform yellowing, I'd be ok with that.

     

    And I think this could be why Apple is shipping these yellow displays: because people seem to be OK with a yellow display and are just accepting it and not complaining. I wouldn't be OK with a yellow display; I want whites to be white and colours to not be tinted yellow. They're probably getting fewer complaints about the yellow displays than the image rentention so that's why they're using them. And if someone does complain, like I have 4 times, they just say it's "within specification" because it's a subtle problem that you might not notice within 14 days and then you're stuck with it. Or you got a yellow display as a replacement for an image retention display and then you're also stuck with it.

  • jedlh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    brdeveloper wrote:

     

    Well... Apple doesn't have competitors in the very same spec, I guess. Dell Precisions are using IGZO tech, while W-series Lenovos use IPS in lower resolutions.

     

     

    We can still compare the top-end ultraportable PC's, they may not be "quite" in the same spec or price category, but there's certainly several models that are close enough to warrant comparative analysis. Collating all the data is the tricky part, but then & only then can we start drawing "hard & fast" conclusions about how bad the rMBP displays are comparatively speaking. We can still complain about how bad they are*, we just can't make sweeping statements about how bad they are compared to competing devices.

     

    *ideally though the focus will be on: (1) properly assesing what = "bad" (2) how to approach Apple about it in order to get a improved display

  • BarrettF77 Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    My ego isn't hurt, but you're sweet for thinking of me.  I just like talking with others who are intelligent and want a solution.  So you can quote me on this.  You're a fool high and low. 

     

    BRD, I think with Dell stepping it up with IGZO, the MBP will soon see a switch.  Apple does like to streamline their lines to save on expense.   Such as the iPhone 5C and 5S.  I could see them doing this with upgrading the displays on the Mbpr and the MacBook Air.  One can hope at least.

  • jedlh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    BarrettF77 wrote:

     

    My ego isn't hurt, but you're sweet for thinking of me.  I just like talking with others who are intelligent and want a solution.  So you can quote me on this.  You're a fool high and low. 

     

    Lets pull it back a couple of notches here, where exactly did I get off on the wrong foot with you? If there's some point I've made which you feel has offended you, or put you in a bad light, please highlight it & I'll clarify or retract it. It's much better to have good will going forward, so as to have constructive dialogue that doesn't get constantly mired in personal "tit for tats".

  • brdeveloper Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yes, you're right. I'm just saying that I would stop this repair game if I got an evenly yellow display. Not that it would be really satisfactory, but what most annoys me are the bottom yellow-green tint and the top blue-magenta living together at the same viewing angle.

     

    I want a IR display again!

  • Colonel.Cool Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It's funny how you seem to buy anything Apple says. No, it´s not normal for IPS screens to do that, I have plenty at home and I have never seen that until the rmbp with LG screen and for following this theard for the beginning I think It's pretty safe to say that no matter how long it takes, Yes it does get worse over time. Let´s not keep going backwards with everything we tend to establish Thanks to this topic. Truth is Apple has done nothing on the matter so far and the wisest thing to do is to hold on buying one until next refresh on the hope that they change their manufacturer (especially on the 13") or change the display technology.

  • jedlh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Colonel.Cool wrote:

     

    It's funny how you seem to buy anything Apple says. 

    It's got nothing to do with buying what Apple says, I'm not strictly an Apple user, never have been. I've observed it outside Apple circles for a long time now, most who aren't strictly Apple usrs & into tech would've long ago too.

     

    No, it´s not normal for IPS screens to do that, I have plenty at home and I have never seen that until the rmbp with LG screen

    Just from a very quick search....

    http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2294164

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4EnYORgOB4

    http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1393871

    http://www.tuaw.com/2013/02/18/the-curious-case-of-the-persistent-image/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_persistence

     

    and for following this theard for the beginning I think It's pretty safe to say that no matter how long it takes, Yes it does get worse over time.

    Sorry, you're going to have to point to more compelling evidence than that, I would dearly like to believe you, but it aint enough for enquiring minds.

    For instance, I'd love to objectively assess whether my IR is geting worse or whether it's purely subjective & is more-or-less the same as day 1.

     

     

    Truth is Apple has done nothing on the matter so far and the wisest thing to do is to hold on buying one until next refresh on the hope that they change their manufacturer (especially on the 13") or change the display technology.

     

    No disagreement there. Ofc, there are varying to degree as-to-how bad individuals displays are compared to competing ultraportable displays, & whether or not they are indeed within the realm of being "in spec".

  • jedlh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Geezus the editing time limits on this site blow, I had a much clearer edit for my post above that's been lost, there's no way I'm wasting more time typing it up again.

     

    Anyway we should all want the same thing here, how to accurately assess that all metrics of our displays are close enough to what can be realistically expected. If one metric or more isn't, then we should be discussing how to get hold of displays that are slightly better, nothing more & nothing less.

     

    "Accurate assessments for all metrics" needs to be rigorously defined & agreed upon, as does "realistic expectations"... Then we have some users who can walk away knowing that their display is "normal", &  a subset who need to discuss further on how to get a proper replacement.

  • jedlh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    "Accurate assessments for all metrics" needs to be rigorously defined & agreed upon, as does "realistic expectations"... Then we have some users who can walk away knowing that their display is "normal", &  a subset who need to discuss further on how to get a proper replacement.

    The above has been done already in this thread, but, now may be the time to co-opt a 3rd-party... Someone who has a very credible background in display tech, & who can provide a more solid bedrock on which to proceed.

  • jedlh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Instead of arguing for this thread to be more narrowly focused/targeted...

    I've started a dedicated thread for those who want to talk along more narrow parameters:

    How-to accurately/professionally assess our 15" rMBP displays

     

    That way folks who want to continue a more wide-ranging/general chat, can do so here.

    Whilst those seeking a more targeted discussion, can do so there...

    I welcome input from anyone here who wishes to help formulate this new initiative.

  • Colonel.Cool Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Haha you can Forget on any hope of Apple fixing it as I had news from the executives today and they said the machines I sent back (with pictures of IR easily happening) passed all of their "quality control" lool. I give up. They won, I'll take my money back.