Q: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?

Not every screen has an issue that apple sells. I had the 2012 mid 15'' macbook pro with retina which had IR issues and apple gladly replaced it without an issue. I recently purchased the 2013 15'' retina pro and to my dismay there were dead pixels on it. Again, apple swapped it with no issues. So now on this new one I haven't seen any issues despite it being an LG screen.

It's kind of like a lottery but not every LG screen is bad, because this one certinately isn't. It should be LG's responsbility to fix it in the end.

shadow82x wrote:

 

Not every screen has an issue that apple sells. I had the 2012 mid 15'' macbook pro with retina which had IR issues and apple gladly replaced it without an issue. I recently purchased the 2013 15'' retina pro and to my dismay there were dead pixels on it. Again, apple swapped it with no issues. So now on this new one I haven't seen any issues despite it being an LG screen.

 

It's kind of like a lottery but not every LG screen is bad, because this one certinately isn't. It should be LG's responsbility to fix it in the end.

And your replacement displays weren't yellow tinted?

I mean how can I tell? I did have a samsung screen with my last device and haven't noticed too much of a change here. If it is a slight yellow tint it doesn't bother me. My whites look white and my black look black.

You guys can be the judge

PS - does apple even sell retina's with the samsung screen now? I heard they were considering dropping them as a retina supplier a few months ago

shadow82x wrote:

 

I mean how can I tell? I did have a samsung screen with my last device and haven't noticed too much of a change here. If it is a slight yellow tint it doesn't bother me. My whites look white and my black look black.

 

 

Well it should be very easy to tell. You had a first display with image retention but I'm pretty sure that most or all of the displays with image retention have great colour. So you removed that one and got a new display. You would immedately see a difference in colour as many have reported when their image retention display was replaced. Or maybe your previous Samsung display was also yellow. Or you can compare your new display to other displays on other computers or to phones or tables. Or you could bring in your new display to an Apple store to compare with other units on display. Your posted picture is definitely yellow. It's better to have a photograph with two displays in the shot for comparison but those whites aren't white; they're yellowy white. So I don't think it's true that there are any good displays; either it has image retention or it's yellow, generally. There may be displays with neither image retention or yellowing but maybe they have stuck pixels or muras. But maybe the yellow displays don't bother you. OK. Fine. But for many who had their image retention display replaced they were disappointed with the yellow replacement.

I did check the models of all the computers I went through.

RMBP 2012 w/ image retention - LG display

RMBP 2012 w/ no image display and no issues AFAIK - Samsung display

RMBP 2013 w/ dead pixels and no image retention - LG Display

RMBP 2013 no image retention (what I have now) - LG Display

Now I can't say the second 2012 really had any issues. It had some slight bleeding around the edges but hey I'd take that over what it could have been. Now the macbook im on now, I never thought of it looking real yellow compared to my samsung screen. The colors are definetely a bit warmer but I never got that yellow vibe. I'll have to compare it.

Suprisingly I just did a self calibortion and I matched nearly my old Samsung screen. I made the whites whiter and it's definetely a cooler feel now.

shadow82x wrote:

 

Suprisingly I just did a self calibortion and I matched nearly my old Samsung screen. I made the whites whiter and it's definetely a cooler feel now.

How did you do that? Post a photograph with both displays in the shot.

Sure. Honestly I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the super white gamma though. Might change it to something in the middle.

First one is the original image

second is with the the white gamma adjusted (I didn't feel the actual colors needed changing)

ETA - Something odd I should probably mention is my screen model is different than most of the 2012 models giving issues. Don't know if that has anything to do with anything but thought I'd throw it out there. (LP154WT1-SJE1)

shadow82x wrote:

 

Sure. Honestly I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the super white gamma though. Might change it to something in the middle.

ETA - Something odd I should probably mention is my screen model is different than most of the 2012 models giving issues. Don't know if that has anything to do with anything but thought I'd throw it out there. (LP154WT1-SJE1)

I don't understand. Gamma affects the contrast and brightness, not the colour. Your second image looks like you set the native white point to 7000 or 7500 or 9300. It still looks terrible because now your whites are blue instead of yellow. You don't want blue whites or yellow whites you want white whites which some of the rare good displays did very well and usually those displays also developed image retention.

Its unfortunate these photos I'm taking looks nothing like the actual color reproduction on the screen itself. (Can we blame the iPhone there too? )

And sorry I didn't mean gamma. It was the target white spot. I agree the photo is too blue, but unfortunately that's a big overexaggeration because of the photo itself. If I set my target white spot to roughly 7500 it looks pretty solid. I haven't tried messing with target/native gamma but that might be worth a shot too. When I opened up that it strained my eyes heh.

shadow82x wrote:

 

Its unfortunate these photos I'm taking looks nothing like the actual color reproduction on the screen itself. (Can we blame the iPhone there too? )

 

And sorry I didn't mean gamma. It was the target white spot. I agree the photo is too blue, but unfortunately that's a big overexaggeration because of the photo itself. If I set my target white spot to roughly 7500 it looks pretty solid. I haven't tried messing with target/native gamma but that might be worth a shot too. When I opened up that it strained my eyes heh.

Well I think we've established that you have one of the yellow displays. I have one too and I set my white point to 7000 so that it looks hideously blue instead of hideously yellow because that makes it less horrible. But not all the screens are like this; some of them look amazingly white just leaving it at 6500 like the first display I had.

I'm just amazed you can notice it so much. I'm a web developer/designer major and it doesn't really bother me like that. I am slightly tempted to go back and return it but probably wont because chances are it will be another LG display. With that said I think my old samsung display might of been leaning more towards the blue side even though I haven't heard anyone complain about that.

shadow82x wrote:

 

I'm just amazed you can notice it so much. I'm a web developer/designer major and it doesn't really bother me like that. I am slightly tempted to go back and return it but probably wont because chances are it will be another LG display. With that said I think my old samsung display might of been leaning more towards the blue side even though I haven't heard anyone complain about that.

I think that's why Apple is using these screens: they don't cause image retention and people don't notice the yellow tint. But they're not all yellow. You can take your display in to an Apple store and compare it with units in the store and see that yours is yellow and theirs isn't, usually.

Here's a photograph of my yellow display on the right next to a unit in the Apple store.

envoy.2000 wrote:

 

brsm1990 wrote:

 

Does anybody know what the test is and how I can replicate it?

Try this one from Mitch Malone (Run a game or create a video using Handbrake before running per FAQ).

 

Other tests:

1. Backlight bleed: ( there are  Youtube videos people have created with 10 hours of a black screen running to help you test this)
   1. Set the solid black background completely full screen and check under a pitch black environment (or extremely low light condition). If you notice any yellow or white bleeds and non-uniformed black colors than you have backlight bleeding.
2. Dead Pixels — simple test designed to make it easier to detect LCD "dead pixels" (pixels that are either stuck-ON or stuck-OFF) by displaying a series of solid background color pages for contrast.
3. Yellow Tint / Uniformity
   1. http://imac.squeaked.com/test.php
4. Creaking (Exterior): check if your laptop makes a “creaking” noise or is “flimsy” — this seems localized to an inch to the left or right of the trackpad and you have to push down more than you would if your normally resting yours palms. Also, lift the computer and put it back down to replicate it after doing it once. It's more noticeable when the computer is not on an even surface-such as a lap.

Aside from the backlight bleeding test, I've now run all these test multiple times (I may try the "dead pixel" one a few more times just to be 100% sure) but for the life of me, I cannot see any issues...

With the yellow tint/uniformity test, when I look at the 1st set of gray bars, there does seem to be a very very slight difference in tone/darkness i.e. the bottom one seems slightly darker overall, the 2nd set seems pretty much identical to one another, the 2x grey screens that come before each pair of gray bars look fine too. I'm really struggling to see any yellow on all four test patterns, there may be a very slight bit of yellow coming through, but that could just be my imagination, as when I look again (& again) I struggle to see it.

If anyone knows of better tests for these issues (inc. the backlight bleeding which I haven't tested yet, but the more methods the better), please do let me know! I also looked for muras, exploded pixels, & some other issues that were mentioned whose names now escape me (if someone can recall them please list them) but couldn't see anything like that, I also haven't tested for "freezing OS" yet.

N.B. I do definitely have the IR/P issue, but so far (finger crossed) it doesn't seem any worse than the day I first noticed it. Plus I've now implemented several measures that ensure it happens less frequently*, & when it does it's quickly countered.

Cheers.

*& is readily noticeable even less!

It's no doubt noticable in comparison. I've been looking at a few theards (some of which you posted in actually) and some comparisons are a lot more noticable than others. Which is odd because it's not consistantly wrong at the same level.

Tomorrow I'm going to compare it to my mom's 2010 macbook pro and see how big the change really is.