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Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!

I've tried all kinds of combinations between my MacBook Pro iCal and my iPhone and it just doesn't work.


First, with iCal on my laptop, turning time zone support on gives the option of selecting which time zone to display and set events on the calendar. With support off, the calendar updates times depending on which time zone you're in. This makes no sense!!! If anything, the calendar times should stay fixed and not change at all if support is off. Turning support on should make the calendar adjust times.


Second, what's the point for entering times in different time zones anyway? If I have a meeting or a flight anywhere in the world, the time is the time no matter what. If I have travel to a different time zone and I set an event for 2 PM, that event will change time when I go to another time zone giving me the wrong time. If I set the event for 2 PM in a different time zone, it will diplay the wrong time in my current time zone.


Third, there is no option to start in one time zone and end in another. I fly all the time. If I turn time zone support on and set a time for a departing flight at 4 PM Eastern, there is no option to arrive at a time in another time zone, so the arrival time will be wrong when the calendar updates in the arriving time zone. If I turn support off, and set an event to start at 4 PM and travel an hour ahead, the calendar will then say the event is at 5 PM when it updates in the new time zone, which is wrong and I'll miss that event.


If I turn my laptop calendar time zone support and iPhone TZS both on or off, times keep getting screwed up. If one is on and one is off, it gets screwed up. Just as an example, to keep my laptop calendar to have the actual time of all my events no matter where I am, I turned time zone support on and set to Central time, where I live. With TZS off, all my times would change to one hour ahead when I go to the Eastern time zone which would screw up any event I would need to refer to. My iPhone has TZS on as well. I have a flight at 3:30 eastern arriving home at 4:30 central, but if I create the event in eastern at 3:30 there is no option to finish in central, so I would have to mark my arrival as 5:30 eastern. When I get home, my calendar would say I left at 2:30 and arrived at 4:30. If I had looked at my calendar before my trip to the eastern time zone, my calendar would say I'm leaving at 2:30, which is wrong for the zone I would leave from, but the arrival time is correct.


Now, with all TZS turned on, and my calendar set to central, and a 3:30 PM Eastern flight with a 24 hour advance alert, my phone alerted me at 4:30 Eastern of my 3:30 Eastern flight because my calendar was set to Central time, not Eastern. Had I had TZS turned off and entered the flight as 3:30, it would display at 4:30 when I arrived in Eastern and my departure and arrival time would be wrong when my calendar updated once in returned to Central and, while still in the Eastern zone, every single event in my calendar would be advance by one hour to reflect the Eastern zone and would be wrong for the actual time those events were to take place in Central, or any other time zone.


If I lived in New York and I traveled to Los Angeles and had an 8 AM meeting in LA, while in NY my calendar would say I had a 11 AM meeting if TZS was on and set to Eastern and wouldn't change to 8 until I manually selected the Pacific time zone. If TZS was off, my 8 AM meeting would display as 5 AM when I arrived in LA and the calendar updated automatically.


The whole system just makes no sense at all and serves no purpose that I can see. The time is the time regardless of where I am or what time zone I'm in. I will always be where I am and the time will always be the time. Why make it change? I want to look at my calendar and have the right time no matter where I am. Apple needs to fix this thing to either add multiple time zones for a single event's start and end time and display the time zone in the calendar or they need to get rid of time zone support altogether.


If anybody knows of a way to keep the calendar on both the computer and the iPhone to actually work in a manner that doesn't change times and will alert me to the actual time of events regardless of time zones I'd love to hear it. Outside of turning off location services, which will screw up every other app, I don't see a fix. Unless Apple give the option to turn of location services for iCal on the iPhone.

iPhone 4S, iOS 5.1.1, Aslo MacBook Pro 15 inch Early 2008

Posted on Jun 21, 2012 12:09 PM

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Feb 15, 2014 6:10 PM in response to D Hull

ICal is the program is it not? Macs or iDevices is where it is expressed. iCal is over the web... It is where the data is. The problem was with the same software operating on comps that did not update time automatically and devices that did. Apple put in a software fix, applied it equally to those that needed it & those that don't.... Hence the problem. Your emails & events are just data that is expressed thru iCal or other software that can work with the data as well... Which can then be modified which will then express itself in other software. iCal on your Mac can be your primary device to read & modify the data, that doesn't matter. But you can use other softwares on your devices to read & modify that data as well aka Sunrise App.


Stop thinking about using TZS and also the concept of floating events that was a user workaround to the TZS that did not work.

Feb 15, 2014 8:34 PM in response to HansWorldTravels

Hans, no offense, but that makes absolutely no sense to me. How do you see or even create an event on the Sunrise App if they don't have a Mac version? There's something I'm not understanding.


I really don't want to think about timezones at all. I just want to use absolute times for wherever I happen to be in the world. I don't want them to change as I travel, change timezones or go from Standard to Daylight time.


I need something that will do this across my devices, and my manager's devices as well, no matter where we are in the world, even when we're in different places as often happens.


Thank you.

Feb 16, 2014 6:45 AM in response to D Hull

It appears you don't understand how an electronic calendar works then and I can't help you. Why I've wasted hours in this discussion is beyond me. My problems ended instantly the moment I realized there was no reason I had to use iCal on my first & only iPhone (Apple device/comp) even though everything was saying I needed to use it.


Enjoy pulling your hair out. I've found something that works, absolute time, relative time, Santa Clause time, it doesn't matter, it works.


Outlook = iCal = gCal = electronic calendars


There is no PC version of Sunrise App either, bc you have a calendar interface on the computer called outlook or iCal that resides on the PC or Mac, OR you have access to iCal, gCal or Outlook (via Outlook Web Access (OWA)) thru a web browser & http address.


iPhones have a resident calendar program as well. If you don't like how it interfaces with your life or needs.... You don't have to use it.... Hence my suggestions of sunrise, as I bounce from one time zone to the next often, work with multiple calendars (read: your boss's calendar & your calendar) and I don't want to be late for a flight bc some calendar system can't figure out time zones. And yes, you do need to think about time zones, it's really not rocket science, but it must be considered in any event created and subsequently when it happens for all parties to be participating in it at the same absolute time regardless of what time zone they are physically in at THAT time.

Feb 16, 2014 6:51 AM in response to D Hull

D Hull wrote:


Hans, no offense, but that makes absolutely no sense to me. How do you see or even create an event on the Sunrise App if they don't have a Mac version? There's something I'm not understanding.

Any calendar app you have on your iOS device accesses the same calendar database as the builit in Calendar app. Therefore, if you're syncing your calendar through iCloud to your Mac, you're effectively syncing Sunrise to your Mac's calendar as well.


I use Tempo a lot (don't especially like Sunrise) but it all works the same. If I enter an appointment in Tempo, it will appear in every calendar app I have on my phone and will sync to whatever accounts I sync to.


Please note that I'm not making any comments about Time Zones. However, if I understand what HansWorldTravels is trying to say, Sunrise handles Time Zones the way he wants to. When he enters the appointments in Sunrise, they sync back to his computer "correctly".


Best of luck.

Feb 16, 2014 8:08 AM in response to D Hull

D Hull wrote:


For reasons that are too lengthy to explain here I need to be able to enter the events on the computer. Not the phone, not the iPad, on the Mac. Time zones and time changes ARE the problem. I still don't understand how this software can help.

I understand that. And, if you enter them in Calendar on your Mac and if you're syncing your calendar over iCloud from your Mac, the appointments will appear in Sunrise on your iPhone. I cannot vouch that the time zone thing works properly but HansWorldTravels seems to be saying it is. Given the trivial expense of Sunrise, I'd suggest you try it yourself. It may all make more sense them.


Best of luck.

Feb 16, 2014 8:14 AM in response to D Hull

D Hull wrote:


That does make sense, but I'm back to how to make it show up properly on the Mac and on the Cloud, as well.

I don't think you do understand. If you have Sunrise installed on your iPhone and if your iPhone and your Mac are set to sync calendars over iCloud, anything you enter in Sunrise on your iPhone should sync to Calendar on your Mac. Anything you enter in Calendar on your Mac should appear in Sunrise on your iPhone.

Feb 16, 2014 8:33 AM in response to D Hull

D Hull wrote:


That's the only issue I'm dealing with here. That's what this thread is about.

I'm well aware of the subject line of the thread. I was trying to explain one specific point that seemed to be causing you difficulty with HansWorldTravels's post and had caused him to say he wasn't going to reply to you anymore. I was not attempting to solve your entire issue. Sometimes, solutions come in pieces that we have to assemble ourselves. I will not, however, bother you with any more attempts at clarification.


Best of luck.

Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!

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