12 Replies Latest reply: Jun 22, 2012 2:04 PM by joeholmes
joeholmes Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I keep my Aperture Library as a "managed" library rather than "referenced, so every master image is kept inside the Aperture Library icon.

 

Today I decided to look inside my Aperture Library (by selecting Show Package Contents), and I can only find master images from the past five years. The "Master" folder contains folders for projects I've titled 2012, 2011, and back to 2008. None of the earlier images that I keep in Aperture, 2007 through 2003, appear in the "Master" folder in the Aperture Library, and there are no folders for 2007 and earlier.

 

That is, if I look in Aperture Library -> Master -> I see folders for 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009 and 2008. But that's it!

 

There are also no folders inside Preview for those earlier years, or inside Thumbnails.

 

And yet...

 

And yet when I'm in the Aperture application, I can Export any of the images, all the way back to 2003. So the master images are obviously available to Aperture somewhere. They exist. And I checked -- those earlier missing images not Referenced, they're Managed, just like the whole library.

 

So where are they??

 

I dug through other folders inside the Aperture Library package but didn't find a thing.

 

Help!


Aperture 3
  • Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (25,715 points)

    The masters in a managed library are stored by import date not creation date.

     

    So if you took a picture in 2001 but import it into Aperture today the master will be in the 2012 folder.

     

    Message was edited by: Frank Caggiano - fix typo

  • Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (12,450 points)

    Anticipating the next question:

     

    OP:  why does it matter?  what problem are trying to solve?  (Note that the Finder itself is just another logical index -- knowing where in Finder your files are tells you very little about where the data is except what drive and volume it is on.)

  • SierraDragon Level 4 Level 4 (2,695 points)

    joeholmes wrote:

     

    I keep my Aperture Library as a "managed" library rather than "referenced, so every master image is kept inside the Aperture Library icon.

     

    Not really. The images are all over the drive that the Library lives on. Aperture just points to them as if the Library was a bucket containing the (managed) Masters, but it does not physically do that.

     

    -Allen

  • joeholmes Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Frank Caggiano wrote:

     

    The masters in a managed library are stored by import date not creation date.

     

     

    Ah, that would explain a lot. All my images were in a different cataloging app until Aperture was released.

     

    But I'm digging around inside the package and still puzzled -- images inside the folder Aperture Library.aplibrary -> Masters -> 2009 -> 06 -> 14 -> 20090614-214439/ were indeed shot on June 14, 2009. So it appears that those various level folder names reflect image creation date, not the import date.

     

    But I'm still digging around.

  • joeholmes Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Kirby Krieger wrote:

     

    Anticipating the next question:

     

    OP:  why does it matter?  what problem are trying to solve?  (Note that the Finder itself is just another logical index -- knowing where in Finder your files are tells you very little about where the data is except what drive and volume it is on.)

     

    I keep my Aperture library as managed so I don't have to think about any of the files. But after this upgrade to the latest version 3.3, I had some flakiness with the backup vaults, so I dug into the packages to see if the backups were complete. That's when I discovered that I couldn't account for files before 2008, though as I said, the original RAW camera files successfully export from Aperture...

  • joeholmes Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    SierraDragon wrote:

     

    joeholmes wrote:

     

    I keep my Aperture Library as a "managed" library rather than "referenced, so every master image is kept inside the Aperture Library icon.

     

    Not really. The images are all over the drive that the Library lives on. Aperture just points to them as if the Library was a bucket containing the (managed) Masters, but it does not physically do that.

     

    -Allen

    One thing that lets me sleep well at night is the knowledge that, no matter what happens, the original master raw files are tucked safely away in that Aperture library (and in the backup vaults I keep). But I won't sleep as well if there's no way for me to recover those files as a last resort. All the image files from 2008 on are easy to find, but the rest are a total mystery to me.

  • Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (25,715 points)

    Strange, I'm not aware of a change in the way Aperture storees the masters. I just looked in one of my libraries that I updated to 3.3 and it still appears to be doing it the way I described.

     

    When were those imported and were they imported from a camera or from the file system?

     

    Also when did you start using Aperture (any version)?

  • joeholmes Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Frank Caggiano wrote:

     

    Strange, I'm not aware of a change in the way Aperture storees the masters. I just looked in one of my libraries that I updated to 3.3 and it still appears to be doing it the way I described.

     

    When were those imported and were they imported from a camera or from the file system?

     

    Also when did you start using Aperture (any version)?

    It's possible we're both right -- the reason the images are filed by the date of their creation is probably because I imported them the same day I shot them. So it would only look like the folder structure was based on image creation date.

     

    Still, digging around through the folders, so far I can't find any that are older than the 2008 files.

     

    I'll see if I can use a terminal command to search for the filename of some file from earlier than 2008. Once I find one, I'll probably find them all.

     

    (Amd the bottom line is: the image files are all definitely there -- I can export them successfully from within Aperture. So all this is really just for my peace of mind.)

     

    Thanks again.

  • léonie Level 9 Level 9 (65,560 points)

    But I'm digging around inside the package and still puzzled -- images inside the folder Aperture Library.aplibrary -> Masters -> 2009 -> 06 -> 14 -> 20090614-214439/ were indeed shot on June 14, 2009. So it appears that those various level folder names reflect image creation date, not the import date.

     

    Joe,

    these various level folder names reflect what Aperture thinks are the import dates.

     

    The "Import Session" is one of the Aperture specific Metadata tags. You can display it in the Info/Metadata pane of the Inspector Panel, if you add it to one of the presets, and then you'll know, where to search, if you absolutely must to sleep well .

     

    You can also use this tag to search or to define a smart album. For example, the image below has been captured in 2003, but was imported in 2010, and will be found in a 2010 folder.

     

    import sees.png

     

    Regards

    Léonie

  • William Lloyd Level 7 Level 7 (20,655 points)

    They're easy to find.  Once you're in the package, do a spotlight search (in the Finder search box) for kind:image and you should see all the images in the spotlight window.

  • joeholmes Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Aha! Found them.

     

    I used Terminal to search for an old image file, using this command:

     

    sudo find / -name DSCN0212.jpg -print

     

    It turned up the file in a September 2008 folder.

     

    That's when I must have gotten around to importing all the old images from previous catalog apps.

     

    There in the same folder are tons of old images.

     

    So Frank, you had the solution from the start. But now that we've had this long discussion, there's no longer a button to click to show that you provided the solution. Want to reply one more time? And I'll click the button there.

  • joeholmes Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks EVERYONE for all your help -- great ideas all around.