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iMac 27" Screen goes black repeatedly, but then settles for a while?

Hi


I have searched and found numerous posts which sound similar to mine, but none seem to be so bad. Its a long post, but I want to make I have given as much information as possible


My Energy Saver settings are default 10 minutes for display & computer sleep, but I always find the screen will go black for a period of time before it goes to sleep and normally when I go back to it I press the keyboard or trackpad and the screen comes back to life. However, this time it didn't. I tried everything I could, but in the end I had to hold down the power button until it turned off. Once I restarted it was ok again.


I didn't think much of it, but I researched and found lots of people had similar issues, but were mainly on MacBooks. I did find a post where people had set a hot corner to turn the display off, so if the problem happened again they went into the hot corner and then came out of it and the display would come back on. This stops the need for having to force the computer off. I set up a hot corner, just in case it happened to me again and I'm glad I did.


In the last couple of weeks the display has been going off at random whilst I have been using it, nothing graphic intensive, just web browsing. Going into my hot corner and coming out of it bought the display back to life thankfully. It was yesterday that things got really bad, to the point that the display was staying on for about 3-4 seconds before going off. Again, going in & out of the hot corner worked, but then it didn't. Initially I thought it maybe some kind of software issue, but when I restarted the grey screen would only show for about 3 seconds and then go black, so I didn't even see the Apple logo. I could hear everything start and it would pause at the logon screen. Going in and out of the hot corner several times finally gave me enough time to login before it went off again.


After logging in I got it back only for it to go off again. I tired everything I could to get the screen to come back to life but it didn't want to play. All the time everything was working on the iMac, it wasn't frozen and didn't crash, just no display. I did some research on my iPad and this seems to be a common problem in one form or another, but no one that I could see had it as bad as mine. Some people were saying it was software related, other that it was logic boards, but as I said earlier I think the majority of posts related to MacBooks and not iMacs.


This was my first Apple purchase and I feel like a fish out of water as I have always had PC's before and if they went wrong I just fixed it myself, but I don't think this is going to be the case this time.


Very late last night I managed to get the display on long enough to run iBoostUp and let it give everything a spring clean. It kept going off whilst it was doing its things, but I did manage to get the display back for long enough to shut it down fully and I left it unplugged over night.


It started working fine this morning, but after more reading I have reset SMC and PRAM as that advice seems to be given a lot when people are having problems.


I have been using it for roughly a couple of hours and it has just this second gone off for the first time. I did my hot corner trick to get it back, then about 3 sends it went again. Now it seems to be ok again. The only program running is Safari.


I am running Lion 10.7.4 with all updates done and I am not running Boot camp for Windows 7 I thought about doing a clean install, but I am not convinced that is going to work and don't want to go through all the hassle of that only to find it still does it! Taking it to Apple worries me, because as its intermittent it may not do it whilst they have it and also I am worried about all my personal data I have on it. Would they wipe the hard drive and would they access my files? I have never had this worry before as any PC problems I just switched problem items myself. The machine will be a year old in a couple of months and I am already thinking the AppleCare Protection Plus is a very good deal and a must have at £139 for two extra years warranty.


Any suggestions great fully received.


Thank you.

iMac (27-inch Mid 2011), Mac OS X (10.7.4), 12GB RAM 1TB, AMD Radeon HD 6970M

Posted on Jun 24, 2012 5:44 AM

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Jul 26, 2014 2:08 PM in response to Tobias Brown

I'm reminded of "2001, A Space Odyssey" and their Failure Mode Analysis: Run it until it fails, then do an autopsy. If it's usually a week between blackouts and machine has been fine for well over a month, you _might_ have solved it. Not very helpful, I know.


That's the irritating nature of intermittent problems - absolutely the worst. If it's repeatable/predictable, it might suggest a solution. It took months to track this down because it only rarely happened at first. When it became more frequent and somewhat predictable, we substituted/replaced every video component between display and logic board - short of replacing display (with new cable/connectors attached). Was only desperation and the process of elimination that finally led to those connectors in my case. You might well be dealing with something completely different. Frustrating, to say the least.

Sep 6, 2014 2:17 PM in response to Motorcycle Michael

So I too have the same issue with a 27 inch Mid 2010 iMac. I have the Radeon 5750 and would have loved (and expected) to see a recall extended for this issue due to the large number of common complaints. My unit started showing the problem 4 months out of warranty. After reading this entire thread have to admit the more logical explanation is a software / firmware glitch in the display itself and not the connectors, GPU or other components which have all been intermittent patches based on the posts. I know folks that get their problem solved often don't repost the success stories and hope if anyone here does find a real solution shouts it loudly for all to hear. I have a background in troubleshooting complex electronic mainframe sized systems with millions of components. I'm not familiar with Mac hardware anymore but my first job was repairing old mac classics and the late 80's early 90's vintage units :-) Apple has always had the approach of replacing components until the problem goes away so there probably aren't many technicians capable of actually debugging this problem.


Here's my thinking. Like many other posts on this thread....no other issues observed when screen goes blank. Sleep and restart often works for a few minutes or seconds but rarely much longer.

So I booted and held down the D key to start the Apple HW test. I feel this was informative though inconclusive. I ran the short test a handful of times - no issues found. (note, I did this after having issues with black screen every 1-2 seconds after leaving the sleep/hibernate state). I then ran the extended test twice in a row allowing the second pass to go overnight.


Mind you the screen intensity is very bright during the apple HW test and didn't adjust with the keyboard controls. The screen never blanked on me for HOURS while running near full brightness and was still on the next morning. The unit was VERY VERY hot though. So I wouldn't recommend leaving the unit on overnight as I did...might lead to other issues. Another take away from this is the FAN was not even though the unit was tremendously hot. The self test includes a FAN test and I could hear the fan spin up and working. So very surprised it wasn't on and guess the folks that wrote the apple HW test disabled the fan intentionally.


I'm using the unit today with no black screens though I'm convinced it will come back. I'm keeping brightness as low as I can stand it as it seems a logical way to reduce stress on the display...but I have no reason at this point to believe it makes a big difference.

My main take away is this....

The obvious hardware replacements aren't working.

The problem has existed for some users for years and for others of us - only more recently. The software involved is probably a VERY flaky race condition in some firmware of the display circuit in the LED panel or LED driver that is going to be extremely difficult to debug even for apple engineers. What causes it to trip for each of us is probably very different depending on an infinite combination of hardware and software settings which is why changes that folks make seem to work for a period of time but are not "fixing" the underlying issue.


I was about to reinstall the old OS as others had suggested but I'm thinking it also isn't worth a bother. I downloaded the SMC fan control and will give that a try as a workaround. I haven't used it yet.


WHat I do think helps is to not HIBERNATE the unit. In all the debugging I did, the common action that seems to have had the best results is to actually SHUTDOWN each time I'm done with the unit and restart every time I sit down. I'll continue to do this, I'll try the fan software whenever I get black screens to see if it helps restore stability (but doubt it will help much). I also made sure my backups are intact in case the whole system outright dies. Don't forget the basics!


I welcome any similar comments and encourage folks to keep voicing their complaints. Eventually someones bound to listen to either the fact there is a real issue that needs to be addressed or to sales numbers for iMACs that will drop as word of mouth about the reliability spreads. These are very expensive units. Very pretty....but hard to maintain. Unless we hear some success stories posted...I wouldn't pay to bring these units in for repair though that was my plan until this week. If i have to spend any money at this point, it will probably be to buy a desktop unit since those are going to be much cheaper and easier to repair out of warranty.

Sep 6, 2014 2:45 PM in response to sglasser

I want to share with my experience with you guys.


I am having iMac 27" 2011 and it started to black out since April of 2014. I've tried many different ways, including controlling the fan speed to reduce the heat, replacing the power unit and backlight board. None worded. There is one guy in the forum suggested that it is related to a SHUTDOWN signal sent from logic board that caused this problem, so I unplugged the vsync cable. At that time OS X 10.10 came out, and I installed the beta version immediately, and since then my iMac only went black once or twice. When it happens, it was just resumed from sleep or beginning phrase of usage, and not under the pressure of overheating or power overload.


My take is that it is a combination of hardware and software problem. When the voltage of the LED light is unstable, the driver tries to correct it. However the driver may adjusts the voltage in the wrong pace and cause the LED light to be off. I analyzed the .kext file from OS X 10.10 DP version 1-7. And it seems that there is a file called AppleBacklightExpert.kext that has been changed in most of DP versions. And the black screen issue happened during version 2-4. Currently the screen is very stable, haven't went black for weeks.


So, the final configuration that keeps my 3 year old iMac working is:

use Mac Fan Control to keep the PSU under 50C, GPU die under 60C

install 10.10 DP7

while the vsync cable is unplugged.


I am not an expert in EE, so I don't know exactly which one really saved my mac, or the combination stabilized the LED lighting, but it worked! I hope my experiments could solicit some great discoveries and solve this problem from the root.

Sep 8, 2014 7:29 AM in response to callzhang

i joined the club few days ago. iMac 27' mid 2010. It's not the heat issue. Reduce brightness and use ctrl shift eject comb. Everything else works. Did the test with Drive Genius, TechTool pro, DiskWarrior, ect. All tests are negative, RAM ok, video memory, ect. No errors! If I turn brightness to max., it goes black.

Oct 20, 2014 5:51 AM in response to Motorcycle Michael

Hello Michael


I have the imac 27 late 2010 and started to experience problems last week.

I did the fix you suggested, it is to soon to tel how well it worked but im typing this message on my imac wit the brightness at 80%. ill keep you informed, this fix took me les than 30 minutes so if it works that would be awesome. and it was indeed an LG panel.

Fingers crossed X

Oct 25, 2014 10:11 PM in response to Stepppy

Late 2009 iMac Core i7 2.8ghz 27"


I have had all of the problems stated above: screen backlight would not stay on past half brightness level. I've had to keep my screen on the lowest brightness setting in order to have a functioning computer. It would almost instantly cut the backlight and i would have to prompt it to wake up from sleep (control+shift+eject).


After changing the backlight board it did not cure the problem.


Although i have just removed the vsync cable from the display to the backlight board and everything is now fully functioning. My brightness has been on maximum and I have had no problems since. Although I've yet to replace the vsync cable. I did see some of the contact points were damaged.

Dec 9, 2014 1:44 AM in response to phillyboy

Update:


My 27in iMac late 2009 could go three days without going black or black out every few seconds. I worked around it by having a hotspot in the lower right to trigger the "screen off".


It went black only once after upgrading to Yosemite in October but has not gone black at all since the upgrade to 10.10.1.on the 18th of November.


I hope it stays that way. Very happy camper :-)

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