13 Replies Latest reply: Aug 11, 2012 4:10 PM by rebailey
rebailey Level 1 (0 points)

Much advice but not able to launch Safari. Also unable to INSTALL 10.5.8 update. I'm looking for Input Manager, but also am unable to find this folder on my system. Using MacBook 10.5.2. Should I be trying to install 10.5.3 or a lower version? Thanks for any suggestions!

MacBook, Mac OS X (10.5.2), ca. 2006
  • Carolyn Samit Level 10 (103,360 points)



    Open a Finder window. From your Finder menu bar click Go > Go to Folder


    Type this exactly as you see it here:




    Click Go


    That will take you to the InputManagers folder.


    Much advice but not able to launch Safari. Also unable to INSTALL 10.5.8 update.

    The startup disk may need repairing.


    Launch Disk Utility located in /Applications/Utilities


    Select Passwords on the left. Select the startup disk on the left then select the First Aid tab.


    Click Verify Disk  (not Verify Disk Permissions)


    If the disk needs repairing, you'll need your install disc(s).


    Using Disk Utility to verify or repair disks

  • Neville Hillyer Level 4 (1,865 points)

    I advise that you:


    1. Backup all data, especially Home folders, to an external disk or DVD - note 1
    2. Install AppleJack - free from: http://sourceforge.net/projects/applejack/
    3. Boot holding cmd S until you see text
    4. Do nothing until the text stops
    5. Type: applejack AUTO shutdown
    6. Hit return - note 2
    7. Reboot and test after the Mac has shut down - note 3
    8. Download & Install OS X 10.5.8 combo update: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL866
    9. Use Software Update regularly to get the latest updates




    1. Better still backup the whole disk with Carbon Copy Cloner from: http://www.bombich.com/
    2. It can take an hour or more - ignore the many serious looking diagnostics
    3. First boot will take longer than usual as caches are rebuilt


    Good luck

  • Klaus1 Level 8 (47,745 points)

    Some general advice on updating:


    It is worth noting that it is an extreme rarity for updates to cause upsets to your system, as they have all been extensively beta-tested, but they may well reveal pre-existing ones, particularly those of which you may have been unaware. If you are actually aware of any glitches, make sure they are fixed before proceeding further.


    So before you do anything else:


    If you can, make a full backup first to an external hard disk. Ideally you should always have a bootable clone of your system that enables you to revert to the previous pre-update state.


    Turn off sleep mode for both screen and hard disk.


    Disconnect all peripherals except your keyboard and mouse.


    1. Repair Permissions (in Disk Utility)


    2. Verify the state of your hard disk using Disk Utility. If any faults are reported, restart from your install disk (holding down the C key), go to Disk Utility, and repair your startup disk. Restart again to get back to your startup disk.


    At least you can now be reasonably certain that your system does not contain any obvious faults that might cause an update/upgrade to fail.


    3. Download the correct version of the COMBO update from the Apple download site.


    The Combo updater of Leopard 10.5.8 can be found here:




    If you prefer to download updates via Software Update in the Apple menu (which would ensure that the correct version for your Mac was being downloaded), it is not recommended to allow SU to install major (or even minor) updates automatically. Set Software Update to just download the updater without immediately installing it. There is always the possibility that the combined download and install (which can be a lengthy process) might be interrupted by a power outage or your cat walking across the keyboard, and an interrupted install will almost certainly cause havoc. Once it is downloaded, you can install at a time that suits you. You should make a backup copy of the updater on a CD in case you ever need a reinstall.


    Full details about the 10.5.8 update here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3606


    More information on using Software Updater here:




    Using the Combo updater ensures that all system files changed since the original 10.5.0 are included, and any that may have been missed out or subsequently damaged will be repaired. The Delta updater, although a temptingly smaller download, only takes you from the previous version to the new one, i.e. for example from 10.5.7 to 10.5.8. Software Update will generally download the Delta updater only. The preferable Combo updater needs to be downloaded from Apple's download site.


    Now proceed as follows:


    4. Close all applications and turn off energy saving and screensaver.


    5. Unplug all peripherals except your keyboard and mouse.


    6. Install the update/upgrade. Do not under any circumstances interrupt this procedure. Do not do anything else on your computer while it is installing. Be patient.


    7. When it ask for a restart to complete the installation, click restart. This can take longer than normal, there are probably thousands of files to overwrite and place in the correct location. Do nothing while this is going on.


    8. Once your Mac is awake, repair permissions again, and you should be good to go!


    If your Mac seems slightly sluggish or ‘different’, perform a second restart. It can’t hurt and is sometimes efficacious! In fact a second restart can be recommended.


    9. Open a few of your most used applications and check that all is OK. In this connection please remember that not all manufacturers of third party applications and plug-ins, add-ons, haxies etc, will have had time to do any necessary rewrites to their software to make them compliant with the latest version of your operating system. Give them a week or two while you regularly check their websites for updates.


    N.B. Do not attempt to install two different updates at the same time as each may have different routines and requirements. Follow the above recommendations for each update in turn.


    Lastly, Apple's own article on the subject of Software Update may also be useful reading:




    [b]If you are updating Safari (or just have):[/b]


    Input Managers from third parties can do as much harm as good. They use a security loophole to reach right into your applications' code and change that code as the application starts up.  If you have installed an OS update and Safari is crashing, the very [i]first[/i] thing to do is clear out your InputManagers folders (both in your own Library and in the top-level /Library), log out and log back in, and try again.

    So, disable all third party add-ons before updating Safari, as they may not have been updated yet for the new version. Add them back one by one. If something goes awry, remove it again and check on the software manufacturer's website for news of an update to match your version of Safari.


    Most errors reported here after an update are due to an unrepaired or undetected inherent fault in the system, and/or a third party add-on.


    Additional tips on software installation here:




    To reiterate, Input Managers reach right into an application and alter its code. This puts the behavior of the affected application outside the control and responsibility of its developers: a recipe for  problems. That's not to say that issues absolutely will ensue as a result of Input Managers, but you, as a user, must decide. If the functionality of a specific Input Manager or set thereof is really important to you, you may well choose to assume the associated risk.

    Again, the advice is to remove all Input Managers from the following directories:

    • /Library/InputManagers
    • ~/Library/InputManagers

    especially prior to system updates (they can always be added back one-by-one later).

    Solutions for troubleshooting installation, startup, and login issues in Mac OS X v10.5


  • rebailey Level 1 (0 points)

    Tried your suggestion, but am told "This folder cannot be found."

  • Neville Hillyer Level 4 (1,865 points)

    I cannot find it on my Leopard OS either - I don't think it normally exists unless you have been trying to develop software.


    I advise that you try my procedure first and if that does not work then try Klaus' or reformat your disk and do a clean install but don't forget to backup to an external disk first.


    Good luck

  • ~Bee Level 7 (31,425 points)

    Neville -- In the TOU, we are specifically told not to instruct people.  We offer what we believe to be solutions, but we cannot "instruct" or "advise" them to do anything.

  • Neville Hillyer Level 4 (1,865 points)

    That is interesting Bee - I would be happy to change future wording if I could find it at: https://discussions.apple.com/static/apple/tutorial/tou.html but my initial search did not find the word 'advise'. Could you help me with this please?

  • Klaus1 Level 8 (47,745 points)

    rebailey wrote:


    Tried your suggestion, but am told "This folder cannot be found."

    What folder?


    If it is the InputManager folders, you should have these:




    Home/Library/Input Managers - Leopard



  • Neville Hillyer Level 4 (1,865 points)

    I suspect that they don't normally exists unless you have been trying to develop software.

  • Klaus1 Level 8 (47,745 points)

    They are created when you install any third party input managers, for example SIMBL, or any that use it.

  • rebailey Level 1 (0 points)

    As you can see, it has been more than a month since I attempted this action. I have faithfully followed all your suggestions. It has taken me a while to secure a back up disk but, at long last, I have. But, alas, my first venture with Time Machine resulted in an error: FAILURE. Unable to back up the disk. No explanation. Do you have one? There is plenty of space on this new drive. I'm desperate. Thanks for your assistance!

  • Klaus1 Level 8 (47,745 points)

    Did you format the new drive as HFS Extended (Journaled)?

  • rebailey Level 1 (0 points)

    MacOS Extended (Case Sensitive, Journaled). Thanks so much!