LionInSunHeart

Q: If I install Leopard 10.5 will I lose my Os 9.2.2?

Hi,

I have a 466 Mhz Power Pc G4, 1.5 GB of SDRAM..running 10.4.11. I love it!

1) What I am faced with is losing my OS 9.2.2 if I install Leopard 10.5..I have Dreamweaver Ultra Dev for OS 9 and I use it everyday for my websites, will I lose my Os9?

2) I am on a fixed income (on purpose) so I know I will never buy an Intel Mac..sad but true I guess. It seems my PPC just won't go the distance with the internet, with no flash support or any new apps or software. I am still seeing flash videos on my Firefox 3.6.28 since I upgraded my Adobe flash to the highest they would offer Flash Player 10.1.102.64 , but I'm sure someday my version of Firefox will just go extinct.I'm using Adblock on Firefox to save memory and I downloaded TenForFox- My Safari is really doing well also.

How many tweaks can I keep doing to keep up..the alternatives are quickly vanishing. Shame on Apple for doing this to us loyalists.

Should I migrate to a Linux system? And just learn a new website editor program? like Kompozer?

 

Thanks-LionInSunHeart-Arizona

PowerMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Jul 10, 2012 7:39 AM

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Q: If I install Leopard 10.5 will I lose my Os 9.2.2?

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  • by Limnos,Helpful

    Limnos Limnos Jul 10, 2012 7:45 AM in response to LionInSunHeart
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    Jul 10, 2012 7:45 AM in response to LionInSunHeart

    Leopard does not support Classic (running OS9 applications while booted to OSX).  Your computer would still boot to OS9 natively but having to reboot your computer to use an OS9 application briefly is a nuisance, and certainly not workable if you are using an OSX application and OS9 application at the same time.

     

    Many of us are still running old systems and just have to keep them going as long as they will in the 'progress' of technology.

  • by MichelPM,Helpful

    MichelPM MichelPM Jul 10, 2012 11:10 AM in response to LionInSunHeart
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    Jul 10, 2012 11:10 AM in response to LionInSunHeart

    I really feel your pain, but you are at the end of the road for your Mac.

    Your Mac is just too old.

    Your CPU doesn't meet the min. CPU requirements for installing and running OS X10.5 Leopard.

    The min. CPU speed is 867 MHz. A far cry from 466 MHz CPU in your Mac.

    I would just stay with Tiger. You'll be disappointed by Leopard if you use a hack to install it.

    It will slow your Mac right down as you don't have any of the core technologies to efficiciently run it.

    Core Image is a big one you are missing.

    And there are no used, third party video cards that support your Mac and core image.

    You say you are on a fixed income?

    Do you have any budget at all?

    Instead of thinking new Intel Mac, have you ever considered a newer/used Mac?

    True, PPC Macs are obsolete, but if you are having all the troubles you're having with a severely outdated Mac, why not consider upgrading through the used Mac market?

    There is the higher end G4 and G5 line that can still use Classic and OS X 10.4.11.

    If you buy from a private seller on eBay, you could get a great deal on a G4/G5.

    If you buy from a reputable Apple reseller, as I did, you pay a little more, but the price is no where near that of a new Intel Mac and you, usually, get a decent return policy or warranty.

    For an example, in the G4 category, I would only look for the top of line G4. This was a 1.42 Ghz CPU model with FireWire 400 and 800. Find one with 2 GBs of RAM already installed or, at the very least 1-1.5 GBs of RAM installed.

    Also, look at olderG5 towers and older G4/G5 iMacs.

    You may be able to find something you can really afford.

    They will all run OS 9 and OS 9 classic mode.

    Plus, if you decide in the future to try out OS X 10.5 Leopard, you could install an extra drive into these Macs and run OS X 10.5 from that drive and still have all of your previous setup, intact.

     

    I am going to link the Apple reseller I use.

    Like you I had a newer than yours, but still aging G4, I finally had some means to, finally, after all this time, to upgrade to a used Intel Mac that I could afford. Took nearly 10 years to be able to do it.

     

    http://www.powermax.com/parts/show/pow-ts37252

     

    You maybe able to find and purchase newer Macs cheaper from private sellers that would save you even more money.

    The tradeoff is that there is no return policy or warranties going this direction.

    I chose to pay more to have that cushion of security in the event the used Mac does end of with a major problem.

    Think about it and good luck with whatever you decide.

  • by MichelPM,

    MichelPM MichelPM Jul 10, 2012 11:24 AM in response to MichelPM
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    Jul 10, 2012 11:24 AM in response to MichelPM

    Here's a link to same site, but for first generation g5's

     

    http://www.powermax.com/parts/code/PM_CU_G5_PI

     

    Second generation G5's

     

    http://www.powermax.com/parts/code/PM_CU_G5_PX

     

    Third Generation G5's

     

    http://www.powermax.com/parts/code/PM_CU_G5_PE

     

    As you can see, the pricing is no where near that of the latest and greatest Macs, but any of these I have linked will be a BIG upgrade for you!

     

    You are really limping along on that 466 MHz Mac. You may still limp, somewhat, on any of the PPC Mac models, but I can guarantee that anynof these will be a big performance boost even on the Internet.

    You might be able to install newer versions of web browsers and the like that may be, somewhat, better, than what you are running, now.

    As far as Mac performance, all of your software should run quite a bit faster on all of these.

    As far a a G4 goes, I wouldn't even consider looking at slower versions as the 1.42 Ghz model is the fastest and last of this Mac Lineup.

    Any G5 model you can look at with an eye toward getting the fastest with the most RAM and best graphics card you can afford, if you have any budget at all.

    It's really time to start playing catch up to the best of your ability if you want your computing experience to improve.

  • by LionInSunHeart,

    LionInSunHeart LionInSunHeart Jul 10, 2012 11:35 AM in response to MichelPM
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    Jul 10, 2012 11:35 AM in response to MichelPM

    Thanks Folks for taking the time to answer.

    The G4 I'm using I bought used from PowerMax coincidentally. (No crashes and it is extremely dependable), you're probably right about getting another higher performing Mac used. I did go ahead and download Ubuntu 10.10-Maverick Meerkat and have it on disc. Just in case everything in Mac up to the Intel models goes completely the way of the dinosaurs...hopefully Linux, by then, will still support Mac PPC's. I will keep to my Tiger and OS9 and forget about Leopard on this machine. I live 125 miles from the nearest Mac mechanics in Tucson...so adding more RAM or this or that is just not cost effective for a 'pretty new dock' on Leopard.

    Thanks again!!

  • by Limnos,

    Limnos Limnos Jul 10, 2012 11:38 AM in response to MichelPM
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    Jul 10, 2012 11:38 AM in response to MichelPM

    If at all possible go for at least an early generation Intel Mac.  Even those are getting left behind by the newer Apple operating systems so they should come down in price by people always wanting to run the newest.  The problem with any PPC "G" model (and I love them) is you are up against a ceiling as far as operating systems go.  Yes, a G5 would run 10.5 but 10.5 in the next few weeks (OSX 10.8 appearing) will become as Tiger is right now to the newest system software.  I am surprised my Tiger computer is still working as well on the Internet as it is.  You'd be spending a couple of hundred dollars and not be much better off.  An Intel Mac will at least get you Snow Leopard.  SL is for me the next sweet spot because it is still not so old as to not work in the new Mac world while still being old enough so a system upgrade does not instantly mean all your software will no longer run either.

     

    We can (and have) typed at great length on this and I suggest you also browse other posts where people have asked about upgrading.

  • by LionInSunHeart,

    LionInSunHeart LionInSunHeart Jul 10, 2012 11:46 AM in response to Limnos
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    Jul 10, 2012 11:46 AM in response to Limnos

    Thanks so much..Limnos!

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Jul 10, 2012 2:09 PM in response to LionInSunHeart
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    Jul 10, 2012 2:09 PM in response to LionInSunHeart

    Mac OS 9.02 emulation in Snow Leopard and Lion: Sheep Shaver

     

    SheepShaver requires a Classic ROM and quite a bit of setup, but there is now a fully contained version, Chubby Bunny, available: Google the term "Classic-On-Intel v 4.0.1 chubby bunny"

     

    Here is some information on SheepShaver:

     

    http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/...mac_os_x_setup

     

    and

     

    http://www.everymac.com/mac-answers/...ntel-macs.html

  • by Limnos,

    Limnos Limnos Jul 10, 2012 2:25 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Jul 10, 2012 2:25 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    I get the impression Sheepshaver is  more a concept piece than a real working tool.  It also runs earlier OS9 but not 9.2.2.  It is tricky to set up and I am not sure how easy it is to run.

     

    One problem with Sheepshaver is I think it kind of skirts legality with requiring a ROM which Apple still jealously guards even though they have consigned all things of that vintage to the garbage pile.  That is probably why the self-contained Chubby Bunny version only seems to be on torrent sites (notorious for pirated things).  I did find one download link but the file ended in .exe.  That's for Windows computers so I don't know what it was doing for Mac software and maybe it was really a lure to get somebody to download a Windows virus or something.

  • by MlchaelLAX,Solvedanswer

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Jul 10, 2012 3:09 PM in response to Limnos
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    Jul 10, 2012 3:09 PM in response to Limnos

    Limnos wrote:

     

    I get the impression Sheepshaver is  more a concept piece than a real working tool...

    Wrong impression - see this screenshot.  It is SheepShaver running Risk II in OS 9.02 inside of Lion on my mid-2011 Mac Mini):

     

    COI in Lion.png

     

    I have also used it to access legacy MORE and WordPerfect files that I have in my archives.

    Limnos wrote:

     

    ... It also runs earlier OS9 but not 9.2.2...

     

    Is the difference between OS9.2.2 and OS9.02 that critical to the OP?

     

     

    The two source links I posted earlier answers all of your other concerns.

  • by LionInSunHeart,

    LionInSunHeart LionInSunHeart Jul 11, 2012 7:44 AM in response to LionInSunHeart
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    Jul 11, 2012 7:44 AM in response to LionInSunHeart

    Thanks everyone for your research and help. My G4 and I will be making a decision this summer on how to proceed..for now I will put this issue to bed and be grateful the G4 is running as well as it is, for now. It might be of interest to know that I can have ten Firefox windows open, listen to the news on MSNBC (video and audio), have Fetch open and Mail open, Safari Open to check my flash on OS X 10.4.11 and also have my Dreamweaver going on OS 9.2.2 working on my websites..without a dreaded spinning ball to slow me down. When the spinning ball does appear on down the line I use MacJanitor or Onyx to clean things up..and I'm off and running again. This must be why I have a Mac (with original hardware), even an older outdated one that has been left in the technodust by Apple.

    My first Mac was given to me by a friend in the late 80s, it was initialized WOZ on the monitor..I don't even remember what it was called....it did look similar to this one: http://www.cultofmac.com/160279/pick-up-this-extremely-rare-128k-mac-prototype-f or-a-cool-100000/

    but of course wasn't a prototype. So you see that I have used a Mac most of my adult life and just do rudimentary tasks with it. Learning Dreamweaver was my largest challenge. I should have kept that first Mac-oh well.

    Thanks again.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Jul 11, 2012 1:12 PM in response to LionInSunHeart
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    Jul 11, 2012 1:12 PM in response to LionInSunHeart

    Glad to be of assistance!

     

    Could you please provide a link to the video stream for MSNBC.

     

    I am considering "cutting the cord" to cable (and going with my AppleTV and Netflix subscriptions) and one of the channels I would miss would be MSNBC. So I would like to see how I can obtain it ala carté!

     

    Your original Mac was probably the original 128K Mac or the 512K Fat Mac: many of which were sold.  The 512Ke model also looked the same.  These were replaced by the Mac Plus.

     

    The first Mac I purchased was a 512K Fat Mac with the internal 10MB Hyperdrive hard disk in 1985.  I purchased it for my Mother to use in her business for mailing lists (using a program called OverVUE) and other business tasks.  Although she upgraded to a couple of Mac Plus' that Mac continued to work until the mid-90s when it finally died!  It was as heavy as a boat anchor!

  • by LionInSunHeart,

    LionInSunHeart LionInSunHeart Jul 11, 2012 2:02 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Jul 11, 2012 2:02 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Jul 11, 2012 2:36 PM in response to LionInSunHeart
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    Jul 11, 2012 2:36 PM in response to LionInSunHeart

    Unless I am going to the wrong place, this link takes me to clips of shows already broadcast.

     

    I was hoping for a live feed...?  This is helpful, tho, thanks!

     

    In London, I watched Rachel Maddow as a podcast on my AppleTV...

  • by RustyQShackleford,

    RustyQShackleford RustyQShackleford Jul 22, 2012 12:28 AM in response to LionInSunHeart
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    Jul 22, 2012 12:28 AM in response to LionInSunHeart

    I just bought a first-gen Intel Mac Pro, with 4GB RAM and 1TB disc, for $500. Running Snow Leopard.   I wonder how well it would run Lion, but not eager to upgrade as I still want Rosetta, since I'm too cheap to buy latest MS Office and Photoshop.   

     

    ChubbyBunny is simply not actually available, as best I can tell.   I have tried downloading from the bit-torrent links; I'm not really hip to BT, but my smarter niece tells me it won't work because "That torrent doesn't have any seeds so it won't download".   I keep trying to steel myself to attempt to get Sheepshaver working, but my spirit is simply not strong enough at present.    There is only one Classic app I still need - ClarisDraw, a drawing program very similar to MacDraw, and not equalled by anything avaiiable today.

     

    It's weird the way technology supposedly marches forward, and yet there is no drawing program available today that's as good as MacDraw, and for that matter, none of the so-called "smart" phones have PIM software that's as good as what the obsolete and virtually un-supportable Palm Pilot OS provided.

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