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Q: external hard drive, os limitations

Hello,

  I was recently looking over external hard drives for my powerbook g4. I previously had the question of whether or not all of a new, very large hard drive would be recognized by my operating system tiger 10.4 , and have read that any size will work. However, I was looking at I think a seagate 1 or 1.5 tb external drive, and under system needs it listed needing 10.5.8 as a system requirement for using the hard drive. Is the operating system limitation only for using the software that comes with the hard drive, and not necessary for simple usage of the hard drive? I won't need backup software for my computer, just use the external hdd for storage, and possibly booting the computer.

 

I'm thinking of getting a firewire connected drive, so that I can boot and it would be faster than usb 2.0 . I was wondering if I got an external hard drive that used usb 3.0, if using a pc card adapter for usb 3.0 would work for my computer? I'm assuming that with usb 3.0, you can't boot off of anything connected through that. As a sideways thought, it would be nice if there were firewire flash drives so that you could use them to boot.

 

If I buy an external drive that isn't specifically made for macs, are there certain drives that won't work with a mac system but only a pc? Also if there are any recommendations that anyone has for or against for the new 1tb/1.5tb hard drives, for a power pc laptop, I'd be happy to hear them. I'm assuming that I can buy any external hard drive and just format it for hfs+ extended and it will work on my mac (except for some that through experience have shown that they don't

'play nice' with macs.)

 

also I'm just now assuming that I won't be able to find an external hard drive with firewire, unless it's been specifically made for macs?

 

thanks,

charles

imac g3 slot-loading and powerbook 5,8 g4 15" 1.67ghz, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 12:09 AM

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  • by mende1,Helpful

    mende1 mende1 Jul 11, 2012 12:17 AM in response to cufford
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    Jul 11, 2012 12:17 AM in response to cufford

    Is the operating system limitation only for using the software that comes with the hard drive, and not necessary for simple usage of the hard drive?

     

    Probably for the software, so you won't have problems with it

     

     

    If I buy an external drive that isn't specifically made for macs, are there certain drives that won't work with a mac system but only a pc?

     

    They should work because you only have to format it in Mac OS Extended or FAT to use it in a Mac

     

     

    also I'm just now assuming that I won't be able to find an external hard drive with firewire, unless it's been specifically made for macs?

     

    They are made for Mac, but they can be used in non-Macs if they have got another port (USB)

  • by dalstott,Helpful

    dalstott dalstott Jul 11, 2012 9:15 AM in response to mende1
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    Jul 11, 2012 9:15 AM in response to mende1

    Go to OWC and check out their offerings. I have an external OWC FW drive that I use with my G4 Powerbook for back up with FW startup ability.

     

    http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go

     

    OWC FW.jpg

  • by Limnos,

    Limnos Limnos Jul 11, 2012 9:42 AM in response to cufford
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    Jul 11, 2012 9:42 AM in response to cufford

    The 'for Mac'/'for PC' designation really has to do with any bundled software and/or pre-formatting used on the drive.  You don't need the bundled software and the formatting is easily changed with Disk Utility to meet your needs.

     

    It must be Firewire to boot your PPC Mac.

     

    I don't have a current list but some drives in the past that 'should' have worked have not worked when it came to booting Macs.  They were okay once the computer was booted but the chips used on the enclosures didn't have sufficient support at the boot stage to conduct booting.  The manufacturer wasn't always aware of this or didn't care since most of their sales were for PCs

     

    With external drives you have two components. You have the enclosure and you have the drive, and both have to work in concert.  I prefer buying an enclosure I know will boot my Mac, and a drive I know to be of quality I trust.  Although I don't like pushing particular companies, the OWC/Mac-sales.com mentioned elsewhere has the edge in that they specifically deal with Macs so you can be pretty well guaranteed anything you buy will play nicely.  I would at least get an enclosure from them.  Their hard drive prices are pretty much in line with market rates (maybe $10 higher but by the time you ship from another vendor it will cost that much extra).

     

    I haven't been following hard drive ratings too much recently. Seagate used to be tops 10 years ago (I still have a dew in my computer I bought back then), then became the pits 3 years ago.  Western Digital I used to rate so-so but last I looked were the best although they do have several levels of drive (green, blue, black, enterprise) with different ratings.  Hitachi may be making a comeback too, though in the end I am not sure who is really owned by whom and if they are really different.  I usually check places such as Newegg which has many, many reviews and see what people say there.  Realize a few people will always end up with duds.  See if you can find ratings related to longevity and things you find important such as noise, speed, etc.

     

    For regular booting you want a fast drive (7200 rpm +).  For periodic booting you can tolerate a slower drive.  5400 rpm drives will be cheaper and probably cooler.  "Green" drives are often slower.

     

    If this is purely for storage and rare booting, maybe look at getting multiple drives (backup always!) and one of the Newertech Voyageur docking stands.  These don't have any active cooling and mine does run about 100°F so I am not sure if it is what you want for running 24/7.