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I have a Mac Pro mid 2007 wich according to Apple isn't able to run with Mountin Lion because of it's graphics card Geforce 7600GT. Does anyone know wich graphics card I can use to upgrade this computer to run Mountain Lion?
Where did you get that information?
Apple states that Mac Pro from Early 2008 and newer are compatible, nothing about 2007 machines being compatible:
Some of the stuff that gets written are as useless and untechnically accurate.
It is not the gpu or RAM it is the firmwmare and pre-2008
Besides which I never saw 7600GT, I assume you have 7300GT and while you could upgrade to ATI 5770 - because it would be better and run Lion better, has nothing to do with ML
Ok, I get it. Regardless of what I do, the mid 2007 is out of the question when it comes to ML. I'll just have to get a newer computer. Thanks for the answer.
It is July so we'll know in the next 20 days.
I am apparently in the same boat as you. I have an 8-core 3.0 GHz 16GB-ram(Apple) Mac Pro 2,1.
According to the system report, although I am running Lion, I neither have the 64-bit kernel or extentions.
I have come to understand this is mainly about the 32-bit EFI.
I guess what I have to say about this is the following...
When people make fun of me for paying the "Apple Tax", I explain that the Apple machines stay viable longer because machines based on Unix use resources better and aren't hardware hogs like Windows.
The first sign of trouble came when it became clear that if you didn't order the Quadro video update from the factory, it just wasn't going to happen, and all that realy got in the way was a sily power cable. But Apple's policy was no post-purchase upgrade to the Quadro.
The second sign that trouble was coming was when my (most expensive Apple desktop money could buy) was no longer elligible for AppleCare support at any price.
It's inability to boot the 64-bit kernel, even though it has 3.0 GHz Xeon's in it, is a tough one for me to live with.
This news that I will no longer be able to use this machine for application development is very bad news. I have only just now understood this intellectually, and the emotional impact has yet to arrive.
Given the thousands of dollars I spent, back when I had money that is, I felt I was making a real investment in my future buying the best machine Apple had.
I guess I will have to be satisfied with the machine as it is with Lion as it's last apple operating system, because I can no longer afford to invest the kind of money it takes to move up.
Apple please take note that if all that is making my machine obsolete is a boot rom, I think that is shabby and I would hope you could do something about that. My 3.0GHz 8-core Xeon is still kick ***, and I played fair and bought the ram from you. Help me out, eh?
G5 owners were dumped after as short as 4 years with the release of Snow Leopard.
Let's just dump PPC all together and go to the "dark side"
Think G5 Quad (Late 2005) owners weren't choked?
Not just the OS support there. Try virtually ALL 3rd party apps......
G4 owners saw Leopard as their last OS after a mere 5-6 years.
A mere 67 MHz CPU clock locked out a bunch of 5 year old machines.....
Darn G4's won't die, either.
Run and work the dickens out of them, just can't upgrade the OS (or buy it for that matter).
G3 iMac and iBook owners were dumped after a mere 4-5 years with the release of Tiger.
"Older" New World ROM machines not supported?!? C'mon! New World ROM is New World, right!?!?
5 years and 2 OS versions are about the norm, historically speaking.
'Course, no one studies pays attention to history anymore........
6 yrs still stronger than it was, does more than I need, and I... do... not... "need" ML or LaunchPad interface.
The minute I got this Mac Pro: it was QUIET thankfully. It was fast. It was able to do so much more.... concurrently... that I could not have done before... and load apps and web pages (10-20 at a time in the morning).
I have sitting in closet so many SCSI controllers, cables, active terminators and other junk err highend tech that cost that a simple $200 SSD can do instead of $4000 of drives etc can achieve.
OK, my time came and now it is my time to be sad.
I have huge compassion for the people who came before me and experienced this when their time came.
I also have two G4 machines, an 800MHz notebook and an iMac 17" flat Panel.
It is clear to me now that when I next consider purchasing an Apple system, I will do some calcuations, like divide the total anticipated costs by the expected number of years it will be supported and come up with a cost per year. Then decide whether I can afford, or want to afford what it costs per year to have great computers. Because each of my Apple computers in it's time was special to me. I would benefit from studying history, both short term and long term, microcomputing, and politics.
it was QUIET thankfully.
Just like running a G3 iMac (or earlier)! 😁
in closet so many SCSI controllers, cables, active terminators and other junk err highend tech that cost
Ohhh, the pain in my chest when I consider the cost of that old tech spilling off my workbench, out of my drawers and falling off the shelves......
and I... do... not... "need" ML or LaunchPad interface.
I just don't get the iOS bit, I guess.
I really could care less about "native" FaceBook and Twitter.
That makes me one of those "I don't need ML", too.
Lion is fine for a transitional OS, but SL is a workhorse, and Rosetta allows me to use thousands of dollars worth of software.
RAM hit? RAM is cheap......😉
I will do some calcuations, like divide the total anticipated costs by the expected number of years it will be supported
Most definitely.
I see the machines as a 5 year depreciation.
After that, they are worth nothing and can be moved aside, fiscally speaking.
Can I afford that.
No.
Especially when considering software.....
Add Vectorworks, CS2 Premium, etc. to the mix.
OUCH!
In practice, these machines are a bit different than accounting would have you believe.
They do become part of the family.
Our Strawberry 266 MHz G3 iMac still runs OS 9 really nicely, and keeps an OS 8.5 available for odd games.
13(?) years old.....
Both my daughters first solo computer use were on this machine.
My 450 MHz G4 tower (bought new '99) is still kicking butt with the 2.0 GHz processor upgrade that I put in it 8 years ago. That kept me from flushing money down the drain on a G5.....
It's on a KVM with my MBP and a couple of "creations" of my own. 4.1 GHz quad core, 3.9 GHz quad, hehehe.....
A couple G4 Quicksilver 2002 machines have done wonders for making my daughters Tiger, Leopard, internet, etc literate.
Still going strong.
A couple of Gigabit Ethernet DP machines, still viable, wait for someone to love them.......
Solid, reliable.
We have common ground.
I bought my Mac Pro for two purposes of about equal importance to me.
1. To have a premium machine on which to develop software, hopefully to sell to other Mac users. The machine fufilled that function very nicely.
2. To have a Workstation Class machine on which to do computer science research. A machine with enough ram (16GB), enough hard drive space (4 SATA3 class drives, with liberal RAID levels. This purpose was fulfilled beyond my dreams. During my initial experiments with the machine, I found that even with lots of apps running and windows open, I was not using much memory, and performance was fantastic. The first time I triggered a 112 page printout from the adobe reader, it zoomed through the processing and spooling an just a few seconds, and I knew my life was going to be different.
In the mean time I must try to figure out how in this economy I can affort to buy my next Apple machine at some time in the future.
Douglas
in this economy I can affort to buy my next Apple machine at some time in the future.
Remember, Lion isn't dead, yet.
The future is still that, not yet quite here.
Develop a killer app (or two) and the new machine will buy itself! 🙂
Groan.... I am in the same boat as you, I bought the biggest, fastest mac there was 5 years ago, with 3.0 ghz quad core, Intel chipset, upgraded video card, 6 TB of storage on SATA for video and music. I have kept current, paid for upgrades without question, been faithful and loyal to Apple.
I have also been watching for some meaningful upgrade to come the way of the mac pro... but all the tweaks Apple has made over the last 5 years have not produced a new mac pro that justifies upgrading.
Now I feel so dissapointed and let down that I can't upgrade - and I do not want to buy another mac pro as they must be due for a big upgrade / modernisation... or they may drop it completely (which now wouldn't surprise me)
I have never said a bad word against Apple in the 26 years I have been a loyal follower... this feels like the end of that period.
Surely there is something to redeem this?
douglas-goodall-
You say you are a developer, and your Mac has 16GB of RAM?
Hi Grant,
Why is 16GB or ram worthy of a question mark?
And thanks for the link by the way, very interesting :-)
Douglas
Upgrade a mid 2007 mac pro to run with Mountain Lion?
