HT2506: Mac Basics: Preview app views and edits PDFs and imagesLearn about Mac Basics: Preview app views and edits PDFs and images
Currently Being ModeratedJul 11, 2012 6:08 PM (in response to KRDHarris)
heh. Adobe protects its Intllectual Property very vigorously!
There is no way for ANYBODY to get "easy" access to the latest tricks Adobe has incorporated. Apple will only add support for whatever feature in PDF is causing this when its not illegal. Right now, all the latest PDF stuff is protected by several patents.
I *thought* that when you installed the real Acrobat Reader, it took over from Preview?
What I would do is always let Preview try and open it. If it fails, curse Adobe out loud a few times, then close Preview and right-click and choose Acrobat.
Curse Lawyers. Then Adobe some more - they deserve it for FLASH!
By the way, I have used Preview to fill-out some PDF forms. There must be something "special" about the ones you have. I was even able to save my form with data - real acrobat would not let me save.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 11, 2012 9:09 PM (in response to Richard E. Cooke)
Thanks for the insight Richard. I too have used Preview to fill in forms, using the Annotation feature too where necessary.
Yes, the files I am having trouble with (from the USA government) must be "special" in some way. I just looked in their File Properties, and saw they were created using Adobe LiveCycle Designer ES 9.0; maybe this is the problem? The File Properties also state that the file can be opened by Adobe Acrobat 7.0 and later. Is there anything else in File Properties I should be checking?
I thought Adobe released PDF as an open standard (ISO 32000), so if Adobe are adding "tricks" then the resulting file would not be PDF.
Given that I know these files can only be opened by Acrobat, I would like to set them that way, but continue to use Preview for all other PDFs. The Finder has a setting for the preferred application for individual files, as well as for all files of the same type. However, a file save from Adobe Reader changes the preferred app from Adobe Reader back to Preview, which is very odd. (I should have thought Adobe Reader would want to keep the app setting as itself, but maybe OS X is doing this?)
Currently Being ModeratedJul 12, 2012 4:42 AM (in response to KRDHarris)
Ah, I'm showing my age! When I was a kid, it was soooooo ilegal to write your own PDF reader or printer driver.
I have to read up. First thing I see on your linked page is the standard does not cover all aspects:
ISO 32000-1:2008 does not specify the following:
• specific processes for converting paper or electronic documents to the PDF format;
• specific technical design, user interface or implementation or operational details of rendering;
• specific physical methods of storing these documents such as media and storage conditions;
• methods for validating the conformance of PDF files or readers;
• required computer hardware and/or operating system.
Which leaves wiggle room for Adobe to make "improvements" to their file structure. Not clear if they would have to reveal what they change either.
Ah, here we go on Wikipedia:
Adobe is not following the standard. They claim ISO has agreed to adopt the "extensions" to the standard Adobe is curretnly using in the next release.
Until the standard is released nobody will add it to their software.
So, until then your going to find things that only work in Adobe Reader.MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.3), (plus other hardware and systems)
Currently Being ModeratedJul 12, 2012 5:37 AM (in response to KRDHarris)
What version O/S do you have? 10.7.4 is latest.
I have something for you to try. I'm reading that Lion supports two different types of file-type association. That is, in addition to a global ".PDF opens with Preview" you can also have a file-by-file setting to over-ride the global one and have it open is something else - like Adobe Reader.
So, how about you test this out to see if its true?
First chainge your global .PDF back to Preview:
Or reset everything back to defaults:
Then when you come accross something that won't open in Preview, use this to set just that file to open in Adobe Reader:
There is also a utility for controlling the file-type settings - but - I don't know if it supports this new feature:
(if this a new feature and hasn't been around all along and I just didn't know about it)
Currently Being ModeratedDec 13, 2013 9:48 AM (in response to KRDHarris)
Another year later, I am having the same problem with newly recleased forms fillable forms from the USPTO. There are settings in Adobe's LifeCycle to make the generated forms more user friendly. The USPTO may not be using them.
The work around is to print out a hard copy and scan it back into a PDF format. Then use preview to redact and edit the PDF as needed.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 13, 2013 10:27 AM (in response to PJ\'sPal)
Why not just install the latest Adobe Reader? As I posted earlier, you can speicfy just the one problem file be opened in Adobe Acrobat Reader so you can fill in the form.
Of course the free reader cannot save filled in forms.... You have to pay for that.
But it would be less work to print them out, and scan them in after you fill them out if you want a record.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 13, 2013 12:18 PM (in response to Richard E. Cooke)
We have to be able to save the forms so we can upload them to the US government.
I have Acrobat Pro 9.0 that I have purchased about 6 copies for my employees and can fill in the forms and save them.
The trouble is that Acrobat Pro 9.0 is a terrible editor, particulalry when it comes to changing fonts or underling.
If that were not the case, I would not be having this problem.
I have not updated to X or XI because the prices for Mac copies were exhorbitant, particularly in comparison with that available on the PC. We don't even use Acrobat Pro to generate forms. We only use it to fill in and save.
I think later versions of reader may be able to save the filled in contents but I have been using pro for so long, I appreciate being able to insert pages, extract pages, etc. that reader can not do.