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2012 MBP Optical Bay SATA Issues

Has anyone been able to get a SATA III storage device to work reliably on the Optical Bay SATA port on a 2012 MBP 2012 13", i5? If so, what drive, and how does it perform (ie. MB/s speed).


Like every good geek, the 1st thing I didn't with my new MBP was add Memory and storage, replacing the main drive with an SSD and the optical drive with a big drive (mechanical storage).


System Info says the optical bay is rated at 6 Gbs (SATA III). But, my experience is any SATA III 6Gps device you hook up to the Optical port crashes. I've only got the Apple SATA II (3 Gbs) harddrive to work. I've tried 3 different 6 Gbs devices: a Seagate Momentus XT 750 Hybrid, the Samsung 830 SSD, and the Vertex 4 SSD.... they all either crashed, had disk errors, failed to format, or caused a kernel panic. They say connect at 6 Gbs in Sys Info, but all had major issues. The 3 Gbs Apple drive says connected at 3 Gbs in System info. and runs fine.


This is Deja Vu with my 2009 13" MBP. Its rated 3 Gbs (SATA II), but my OWC 6G SSD only connects at 1.5 Gbs (half speed, ... after the fact OWC told me only the 3G models work on the 2009). But at least it doesn't crash the machine or drive. The difference was the SATA III Momentus XT connected at 3 Gbs and the SSD only 1.5 Gbs. Swapping drives didn't make a difference.


The really aggregating thing about my "upgrade" from 2009 to 2011 MBP was my Seagate Momentus XT 750 that used to work great at 3 Gps speed on the '09, now crashes and doesn't work at all at 6 Gps on the 2012 MBP. So I had "downgrade" to the 500 Gb Apple drive to get the optical port to work


On the bright side both Samsung 830 and OCZ V4 SSD's work great on the main drive (450 MB/s read) and it boots in 10 seconds. Yes 10 seconds! The optical drive SATA port is a major issue for everyone ( like me ) who buys MBPs because they can trip them out, this is a real nagging issue/obstacle. This is definitely a firmware issue that needs to be addressed by Apple. I'm hoping for a firmware update and that Apple isn't doing this intentionally. Until that time, my advice is, don't expect a 6 Gbs drive to work.


For anyone listening, I refuse to buy a Retina Mac (no matter how good the display is) with 1) Welded in memory, 2) glued in battery, and 3) no option for 2nd drive or HD upgrade. Please keep making MBP's with options!

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.4), 13" June 2012 i5

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 5:06 PM

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Jul 12, 2012 5:34 AM in response to Shootist007

It occurred to me (maybe you mentioned it) that this is more likely an Intel issue as Intel probably actually designs the chipset. Its a system limitation when the port runs at half speed (eg 2009 MBP), it's a BUG when it crashes the system (2012 MBP)! The port is rated at 6 Gps, it connects at 6 Gps and crashes or causes major problems. It would be better if it connected at 3 Gps a and worked without issues (other than slow speed). Regardless, it needs a firmware fix.

Jul 15, 2012 10:15 AM in response to Halfmoonh4

I finally got a Crucial M4 256Gb SSD to work! This was the 3rd SSD I tried. The Samsung 830 & OCZ V4 are basically unusable with the current version of OSX firmware. There's definitely a firmware issue as of this writing. Everytime the machine wakes up from Sleep it ejects the SSD causing the machine to lock up, forcing a manual reboot. It took 2 visits and 4 hours at the Genius Bar to figure this out (I'll have to hand it to the Geniuses, this model has only been out for a month and they hadn't seen this problem before, the were very helpful). The only way the machine would work was with the original hard drive. Refusing to give up and being a glutton for punishment, I decided to try a 3rd model, I knew there must be some SSD out there that must work, Apple gets their SSD from some supplier. The Crucial M4 has been around for awhile, I figure maybe Apple had tested it, and the price on the 256 Gb is really good vs. competition ($180 at MicroCenter). So far, works like a champ (1 day). I get 502 MB/sec READS, but only 242 MB/sec Writes on Blackmagic DiskSpeed tests. My MBP boots as fast as 6 seconds!!! Woo Hooo! Just hope it lasts!

Jul 20, 2012 7:11 AM in response to Halfmoonh4

Halfmoonh4, are you talking about your above experience with your SSD in your main HD bay or the optical bay?

I've had great performance of my Samsung 830 in the main HD bay.


I have a Crucial M4 64GB SSD but it's SATA iii.

I've read that SATA ii drives will work in the optical bay. I bought a Mushkin 120 GBSSD SATA ii for the opitcal bay. Going to install it today. I'll report back when I finish installs and tests.

Jul 20, 2012 8:03 AM in response to fotogeek514

Yep, my Samsung 830 and OCZ V4 both crashed the main bay. The SATA III Momentus XT Hybrid crashes the optical bay. Currently, I'm using the 5400 rpm apple drive on the optical bay with no issues. I'm waiting for a SATA II 7200 rpm WD Scorpio Black to try next.


I think I must have just got a bad Samsung, like yours, it should have worked. But the Crucial M4 works, so one half of my problem is fixed.

Jul 20, 2012 8:30 AM in response to Halfmoonh4

Ok. I decided since i was opening up the optical bay, i might as well test my Crucial C300 128 GB Sata3. I've read forums and discussions about installing a SATA3 drive in the optical bay in the Macbook Pro 13" Mid 2012. People say it shouldn't and can't be done but so far so good although my speeds aren't as high as I would like in the optical bay (Crucial C300). The speed on my Samsung 830 in the main bay seem to at 6gb/s speeds. Not sure if it's the Crucial C300 or the optical bay connection. It reads 6gb/s in system info, link speed and negotiated link speed so I don't know what to think right now. It's only been an hour so I'll report back if there's any issues.

Jul 21, 2012 2:41 PM in response to fotogeek514

SSD's - The crack cocaine of personal computing!


After failures / incompatibility on 3 different drives, I've landed on Crucial M4's. There's some SATA III firmware issue that just makes the new Mac very finicky. Maybe a future firmware update will fix the problem, dunno, but here's what I've found to work.

re: Crack .... After I got the 256 Gb Crucial to work in the main bay I had to have more, your post inspired me to put a 512 Gb SSD in the optical bay as the 2nd drive (took the DVD player out) as my data drive.


FYI, people may find this pretty useful.... I've been using the USB3 to SATA III adapter (its a detachable pigtail) off the Seagate GoFlex to hook up bare harddrives, its awesome (see below, USB3 is faster than SATA II on the tests I did)


Anyway here's my NERD log of observed drive speeds using Blackmagic Disk Speed Test.



DRIVEDrive InterfaceInterface RatingPort/BayRead SpeedWrite Speed
MB/sMB/s
2012 MBP
Samsung 830 - 128 Gb (Note 1)SATA III6 gigabitMain443312
OCZ Vertex 4 - 128 Gb SSD (Note 2)SATA III6 gigabitMain465420
Crucial M4 - 256 GbSATA III6 gigabitMain502265
Crucial M4 – 512 GbSATA III6 gigabitOptical512256
Seagate Momentus XT - 7200rpm- 750Gb (Note 3)SATA III6 gigabitOptical8077
Seagate GoFlex Portable - 1.5TbFirewire 800800 megabitFirewire3941
Apple 5400 rpm 500 Gb HDSATA II3 gigabitOptical8568
Seagate 320 Gb Momentus 7200 rpm (SATA II)USB 3.04.8 gigabitUSB 3.07068
Samsung 830 - 128 GbUSB 3.04.8 gigabitUSB 3.0181164
Seagate GoFlex Portable - 1.5TbUSB 3.04.8 gigabitUSB 3.06872
Crucial M4 – 512 GbUSB 3.04.8 gigabitUSB 3.0196176
2009 MBP
Apple 5400 rpm 500Gb HDSATA II3 gigabit8162
OWC 6G Extreme 60Gb SSD (Note 4)SATA II3 gigabit13171
Note 1: Crashed, would not wake from sleep and/or got ejected (possibly just a Bad Drive)
Note 2: Crashed, would not wake from sleep
Note 3: Issue w/2012 MBP SATA Firmware. Optical Bay only connects at SATA II Speeds and crashes (gets ejected by system)
Note 4: Issue w/2009 MBP SATA Firmware. Some SSD drives only connect 1.5 gigabit, half the SATA II speed
References
http://www.everythingusb.com/speed.html

2012 MBP Optical Bay SATA Issues

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