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BCF2000 trouble...

Hey Guys and Gals.

Recently bought a BCF2000. It's (hopefully) correctly setup, i've downloaded the SysEx software and eventually got it working with Reason 3. However I cannot seem to get a stable connection with Logic Express 7.
So far i've:
-booted up in LC mode
-Opened Logic
-Loaded a song (new and old)
-Created a Logic control surface in: Logic/Pref/Control Surfaces/Setup...
-Selected the in/out ports
-Created a second controller-as directed by http://www.dancetech.com/aadt_new/index_itemurl.cfm?threadid=3714
-Not much use in getting a reaction from the BCF (prob my own fault) . Assigning a fader by ways of "learning Assignments". This is v. temperamentle however.

I can't seem to get the proper emulation. My main is to be able to use the faders in flip mode. Not too sure where i'm going wrong.

I'm at present totally stuck with this wonderful machine. Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers
Brad.

iBook G4, Mac OS X (10.4.5)

Posted on Mar 21, 2006 11:21 AM

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User profile for user: Phillip K
Phillip K
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Mar 21, 2006 1:17 PM in response to Bradley Wright

Hey Brad,
I can understand your frustration. I just bought the BCF and have been having some problems with getting it to work with Logic. I also checked out that video and there is one thing I think you might have misunderstood. He showed how to install two BCF's because he said that his second one had arrived. He did not mean that everyone had to install two in Logic. So first try just one, that might help a bit.
I have noticed also that the learn function in Logic is not working with my BCF, though I think it has something to do with my situation. I am sure that it does work if the controller is in the right mode. Logic says that a parameter has been learned but the unit still cannot manipulate it. Since both Logic and the BCF have a learn mode it is nothing short of confusing. I am not sure about the sys exclusive dump he was refering to. If anyone could chime in on that subject that would be a great help.
I did get it to work on a couple of occasions with it being able to control faders and mute. Only some controls like pan were being controlled by faders instead of the rotory knobs. Not sure how that happened. Trying to re=assign them did not work.
When you say that you want to use faders in FLIP mode, could you please explain exactly what you are trying to do. I put mine in SWAP mode and was able to use the < Preset > to go from tracks 1-8 to 9-16 and so on.
So if anyone knows of a Logic template for the BSF that would assign the majority of controls, this would be a huge help. Until then, just keep trying, I have made progress and I know you will too. Phil
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Mar 21, 2006 2:58 PM in response to Bradley Wright

More Progress!
I found that on Behringers site there is an editor for the BCF that will run on the MAC! There site is a little confusing ( I think it is that German to English thing, some things get lost in translation) At first I did not think it was for the the Macintosh, but after a little digging, I found where they said it would run on MOST operating systems as long as JAVA is installed.
It is called the B Control Edit/Software Editor/ Libraian Program. Just follow the link in the downloads section. You have to answer a few questions then you are allowed to download. This is great since it allows you to program the device from your computer and sends the information to the unit after which you just push the "Store" button to save the changes. This is probably the best way to go since it was written by the same people that made the unit. Hope this helps.
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Mar 21, 2006 5:34 PM in response to Bradley Wright

Less Progress!!!!!!

Just spent 3hours trying to get the editor to work, nothing. It would not talk to the unit. I am having problems with Pro although I can at least get express to acknowledge the unit even if it does not really work right. I looked at my Java cache monitor, it does not list the editor program as running. So back to the manual. I hate manuals. I love making music. I am trying to remember the last time I did that. Cant remember, getting weak, everything is getting fuzzy......

Kernal PANIC REBOOT
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User profile for user: chinjazz
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Mar 22, 2006 7:25 AM in response to jord

Hey...

I'm been running around a bit this am, but as said before my suggestion is to have only 1 Logic controller in the Logic Controller set up. Don't even bother doing any editing, because for 1 when in the LC mode on the Behringer you can't edit or assign anything. It is in a dedicated Logic Control mode. I have it set to that, and everything is fine.. Faders and pots behave as they should. There are a few overlay's out there on the web (I'll try to find mine and forward them to you). They come in handy to know what is what on the control surface...

If you do decide to go down the Assign/edit route you're in for many hours of tweaking and that's certinaly not musical.

I've also used this LCXView which I've since stopped using because it wasn't relyable on Logic launch...

I'll check back in the thread this afternoon to get your feedback and see how I can help.

Good Luck 🙂

Adam
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Mar 22, 2006 12:34 PM in response to chinjazz

MAJOR VICTORY!!!!!

Well I want to thank all of you for the support in the face of having to look at Behringer's manual. Could it be any more unfriendly! What kind of sadist says "Consider the color chart" on a black and white image! Well after my mind went numb, I just kind of veged a little and started playing with the thing again. The one thing I changed was hooking up midi cables in both directions to the computer along with the usb cable and put it in user mode 2. Then trying the different button combinations. Made a data request from Logic, not sure if it worked but at least I made some major progress. You REALLY have to look at the MAP for Logic Control. It is all right there. After a while I was bringing up my plug in effects and adusting them with the unit. Man what a relief. I know the rest is only a matter of time now. The only thing I am not clear on it the different codes that come up in the LED. I still dont know what S1 is. I finally figured out Pn is PAN. PL is Plug in. P=Parameter, am I getting warm? It is like being blind and trying to find your way through a 30 room mansion. Not sure what is coming next. At least it is becoming fun again. Anyone have a better map than those kind people at Behringer?
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chinjazz
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Mar 22, 2006 1:32 PM in response to Phillip K

Glad that you're getting some success.

I've got the thing hooked up via USB. Works well for me that way. There are LC (Logic Control) mode overlay templates out there. I'll search again and post the link here.

I went thru all that madness you went thru last year and luckily had the Logic Control manual.

For me LC mode works well with no tweaking necessary.

Now, once I have the money I'm jumping to the "real" thing.
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Mar 24, 2006 8:11 AM in response to Bradley Wright

First of all guys, thanks. The help is really appreciated.

I don't even no where to start.

OK well firstly...

Phillip - I downloaded the BCF Librarian. It looks fancy but I think it's had an argument with my BCF. Cannot get a whisper.

Initially (about 3 weeks ago) i had the faders working in Logic, after some tweaking i lost this. Don't know how. At present i have restored defaults and deleted one of the controllers (just the single LC now). The response i get from the BCF is any button/fader triggers a MIDI note to which the track is assigned. The display reads -Pn- and the pan nobs are partially lit. Oh and the faders are all centred.

..I keep having to walk away and calm myself down...

Shall i reset and start again?

Adamchin - Dedicated LC mode, what do you mean? how does it recognise to use the faders? So far unless i add another Logic Controller, then it just plays MIDI notes.
Also where did you get the Logic Control Manual from?

Phillip - what do you mean you changed your MIDI cables? where they in the wrong place? Mine is hooked up via USB and MIDI. I use user mode 2 with no response. How did you make your data request. In reply i am currently looking at the Map for LC and i can't see where i'm going wrong. How are you able to use your BCF with plug-ins aswell as faders? Could you give me a breakdown of your setup please? (S1 is for Standalone 1)

After deleting the 2nd LC i have lost the transport controls (play, stop etc.) and it has reverted to playing just the MIDI notes.

Basically fellas, After restoring defaults, installing the LC etc, if i load a new session (to which the faders jump to the centre) how do i tell them to work with the faders when i create eg, a MIDI piano? Which mode is it best in with my setup ( i believer user 2) Preferences in Logic, etc.

Cheers though guys, you've been good help.

Brad.

iBook G4, 1.25 GB SDRAM Mac OS X (10.4.5) MBoX, Roland HP1 Digital Piano, LaCie D2 Hard drive, Coffee, lots of Coffee.
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Mar 24, 2006 8:38 AM in response to Bradley Wright

Hey Brad,

You're almost there.. LC mode I refer to is Logic Emulation mode. I'm at work and don't have all the hardware in front of me, but I downlaoded the users manual. And low and behold, no mention of this.. I went to the Behrniger site and found this link: Quit out of Logic First, then do these steps
http://behringer-en.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/behringeren.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=3EBath3i&p_lva=&p_faqid=1062&p_created=1138 407813&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTMmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1Mb2dp YyZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMT0yMDAmcF9wYWdlPTE*&pli=

Look at the picture they have. You're basically going to turn off the BCF, Hold down the third button on the top row (on the left), (not the pot), and Turn on the unit. The LCD display should say "LC".


(the instructions are generic in terms of going into Emulation mode, and these were geared toward Pro Tools).

If you get this done successfully, you're in the home streach.

Once in LC Mode, launch Logic Pro
If your BCF isn't recognized immediately, you'll have to go into Control Surface settings. But it should just come up.

Your faders will automatically reflect where you are (relative to your Autoload song, and what track is selected there). You'll know it's working when you move a fader and see the corresponding channel move in the Arrange window.
Also you can click on a track in the arrange window and arrow down on your keyboard. You should see the red lights flash on the BCF. (Youre now basically just using the BCF as a channel mixer).

Now, to get automation to work, you'll have to click on a channel strip and select "Latch" or "Touch" to engauge automation for the track. Click play in one of the the transports in Logic, and then move the fader of interest.
Rewind, and play back.. You should see the fader move.

Let me know if this helps or not.

Adam
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Mar 24, 2006 2:02 PM in response to Bradley Wright

Brad

It turns out the midi cable were not the cure. I unplugged them and just using my USB cable the unit still worked fine. Adam is right about the mode for Logic, once you tell it to boot as a LC. It will do it from then on. You only have to hold the third button if you want to change the Global settings. I suggest maybe trashing the preferences file for the control surface.

Home/library/preferences/logic/com.apple.logic.pro.cs

It may be a little confused. Also deleting and creating a fresh Logic control unit in setup might help. What do you think Adam?
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