imovie hd vs imovie 11

I need help deciding whether to switch to iMovie 11 from iMovie HD.


I have 2-3 TB of iMovie HD projects imported from my dv camera - all are located on external drives that I connect to my computer when I need to use them.


I primarily make clips from the videos (each project is about an hour long and the clips are 1-2 minutes to show a specific technique.) I've been using iMovie HD a long time so I'm familiar with it. I can learn iMovie 11 if needed. My biggest questions are about the organization of my projects, importing to iMovie 11 - should I just leave the projects as they are and then import the project that I need to take the clip from? That way part of my video will be in iMovie HD format and part in iMovie 11?


Also - I really need a way to keep everything organized - right now my iMovie HD projects are in folders by event - e.g. 10 projects to a date and location. What's the best way to do this so I can stay organized?


Related questions -

I need to slow some of the clips down to show slow motion - I don't think iMovie HD can do this . . . I had experimented with Final Cut Express and Adobe Premier Elements 9 but still had a lot of the same questions - how to organize, what to import and what to keep as original format, etc. Both seemed relatively complicated for what I wanted to do but I could learn if needed.


Last question - I've also had trouble sharing the video footage with others I teach with - began using dropbox and that was a good start but my colleagues that have newer macs and don't have iMovie HD weren't able to see/use the video projects after I'd imported them from the camera to iMovie HD - best solution?


I use iDVD occasionally to burn an entire project (about an hour) to a DVD - have used the chapter feature and don't know if it works the same with iMovie 11. Other than that, I use the transitions and titles in iMovie HD in a very basic way - don't need a lot of flashy features.


Can someone help me sort this out?

Thanks in advance.

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.4)

Posted on Jul 24, 2012 9:45 AM

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Jul 24, 2012 4:31 PM in response to Monica326


I have 2-3 TB of iMovie HD projects imported from my dv camera - all are located on external drives that I connect to my computer when I need to use them.


Events and Project are different in iMovie 11, and I think you will find it better. An Event contains your raw dv clips. They are organized as a database containing the raw clip, a thumbnail of the clip, stabilization info (optional), and cache files.


Projects are where you edit your clips into a finished movie. Behind the scenes, projects are also a database. It is a text file in hexadecimal that contains references to the Event clips, including in and out points, descriptions of special effects to be applied, titles, references to music and photos from iTunes or iPhoto, audio adjustments, etc. You can see these edits in real time as you edit, but they are officially applied when you render the project using the Share menu.


This has huge advantages for organization of clips. Once you import a clip or clips into an Event, you can use those clips in one project or multiple projects, all without duplicating the space. Also, a single project can use clips from multiple events, all without duplicating a space.


iMovie 6 was kind of a nightmare of duplicated space, because it was built on a tape-centric model, and it assumed that no one would keep a project on disk, but would write it out to tape. So it could be very inefficient with regards to space. In iMovie 06, you might import a tape into a project. Then you apply titles or effects or edits. Those files are duplicated so you can always revert back to a previous state, so you start getting multiple copies of each clip you have edited. Then, if you decide to use the tape in another project, you again have duplication. The second project cannot see that the clips exist in the other project, so they have to be imported again.


In iMovie 11, your DV clips will exist one time in one event, but they can be used over and over in multiple projects, without taking up duplicate space. Yet you still have nondestructive editing, because to revert back to a previous state is just to revert back to an earlier state of the text file.



I primarily make clips from the videos (each project is about an hour long and the clips are 1-2 minutes to show a specific technique.) I've been using iMovie HD a long time so I'm familiar with it. I can learn iMovie 11 if needed. My biggest questions are about the organization of my projects, importing to iMovie 11 - should I just leave the projects as they are and then import the project that I need to take the clip from? That way part of my video will be in iMovie HD format and part in iMovie 11?


There are two ways you could go. (and a third that I will mention)

1) You can import iMovie 6 projects into iMovie 11. In this case, your import from tape becomes the iMovie 11 event. Your timeline will become an iMovie 11 Project. Photos and Music and Titles will not be imported. Any transitions will be replaced with a simple cross fade. More here. http://help.apple.com/imovie/#mov39f853b1


2) You could import from tape into iMovie 11. This would give you a chance to organize your clips into logical events. Alternatively, you could find your original DV clips within the iMovie 6 project and import from there.


3) A third item I will mention. Somtimes people will write a completed iMovie 6 project out to tape. Then the want to import that project into iMovie. They find that iMovie will import the tape into an Event, and the clips will be organized within the Event in chronological order as they were shot. If you want to import a finished movie into iMovie 11, then rather than importing from tape in DV Stream, you should use iMovie 6 to Export To QuickTIme using DV Codec. This will produce an MOV file in the DV codec, which can be imported into iMovie in the edited order rather than the order in which it was shot.


Also - I really need a way to keep everything organized - right now my iMovie HD projects are in folders by event - e.g. 10 projects to a date and location. What's the best way to do this so I can stay organized?


If you import your iMovie 06 projects, You will have an event with the project name and a project with the same project name, although you can change the names later if you want.


If you import from tape, or use FILE/IMPORT MOVIE from the raw DV files within the iMOvie 6 project, then you can organize the clips into logical events. By default, iMovie will group all clips from the same day into a single event, although you can specify that all clips from a tape (or from a SDHC Card) should go into a single event rather than being splt be day. For example, what if you shot a football game and a birthday party on the same date. They would be imported into the same event, but you could split the event later into two events. On the other hand, iMovie might split an event into - let's say - Sept 1, Sept 2, and Sept 3 for three separate events. However, you can combine these into a single event called Labor Day Weekend if you want.


Events will be sorted by the date you shot them. You can have your events sorted by year, or by year and month.


I need to slow some of the clips down to show slow motion


iMovie 11 has slow motion. It is easy to use. See this video. You are limited to even numbers like 12.5%, 25%, 50%, 75%, etc.

http://www.apple.com/findouthow/movies/#timing


I've also had trouble sharing the video footage with others I teach with - began using dropbox and that was a good start but my colleagues that have newer macs and don't have iMovie HD weren't able to see/use the video projects after I'd imported them from the camera to iMovie HD - best solution?


I would suggest that you share finished movies with your colleagues rather than works in progress. You can do this in either iMovie 11 or iMovie 06 by using the Share menu and rendering in h.264. For Mac users, you can use the standard presets. For Windows users, they can see the standard h.264 movies if they have the free QuickTime Player for Windows installed. If not, you can Share using QuickTime to an MP4 container in the h.264 codec. (You could also share in DV, but it would be a much larger file, with no corresponding benefit in quality).

You could also share through YouTube, etc.


I use iDVD occasionally to burn an entire project (about an hour) to a DVD - have used the chapter feature and don't know if it works the same with iMovie 11.


Here is how the Chapter feature works in iMovie 11.

When you get ready to burn a DVD, use the Share menu to Share to the Media Browser in Large size. You can then find your project in the Media Browser of iDVD and drag it into an iDVD project.


Be sure to keep your current copy of iDVD, because Apple does not sell it anymore.



This will probably bring up more questions in your mind. Feel free to ask.

Jul 24, 2012 5:15 PM in response to AppleMan1958

Wow - thanks so much! You really helped me figure out answers to a lot of complicated questions I've been researching for awhile.


So far I have just one more question -

I would suggest that you share finished movies with your colleagues rather than works in progress. You can do this in either iMovie 11 or iMovie 06 by using the Share menu and rendering in h.264.

With regard to this statement - would sharing this way allow them to use the video as they wish - e.g. make their own clips and manipulate it the same way I'd be able to on iMovie? We all use the same "database" of video footage but might need different parts for different purposes.


Thanks again! I will be studying your answers and following up - there's a lot of information that will really help me!

Jul 24, 2012 2:55 PM in response to Monica326

Monica,



Can someone help me sort this out?

Thanks in advance.

My best advice is that you sort this out for yourself.


There are a bunch of tutorials and other resrouces that give you a glimpse of iMove '11. They're available here:


http://www.apple.com/support/imovie/#


At only $14.99, it might be worth purchasing iMovie '11 and evaluating it for yourself. Or, if you live close to an Apple Store, go play around with it.


You can run both iMoive HD 6 and iMovie '11 on your MacBook Pro. They can co-exist. So it's not necessarily an either-or proposition.


There's also now Final Cut Pro X (with a 30 day free trial)...


http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/trial/


that might also be worth investigating.


Matt




Matt

Jul 24, 2012 5:39 PM in response to Monica326

OK... I did not realize that your colleagues needed access to the raw clips as well.


It would be possible to share a small number of raw clips through Dropbox. I would only recommend this if your need was intermittent and just a few clips. In iMovie 11, you can right click on an Event clip, and select Reveal In Finder. Then you can COPY this clip into DropBox. The person on the other end could import this file into iMovie using FILE/IMPORT MOVIE.


On the other hand, if your colleagues need access to the whole database of clips, then you could either share your hard drives with them, or you could make a copy of the Events on another hard drive so they could plug it into their Mac and use those Events. This would work well for sharing large amounts of clips.


Here is how to copy or move projects to an external drive.

http://help.apple.com/imovie/#move7d66613


Here is how to copy or move Events to an external drive.

http://help.apple.com/imovie/#mov3ac6d42c


Here is how to copy all project assets so they could be used on another computer.

http://help.apple.com/imovie/#mov3ac6c7c9


You will want to do all copying and moving from within iMovie. Remember I said that iMovie is really an event database and a project database? If you move events in the Finder, the Projects will not be updated, the paths to event clips will be invalid, and the project will become an orphan.


One thing I forgot to mention in my earlier answer... If you are storing a lot of valuable clips on a hard drive, be sure to have a back-up plan. You can keep a backup on another hard drive. You can use an off-site service like CrashPlan, or you can rely on the original tapes. Just be sure to think through your backup plan, because hard drives do crash.

Jul 24, 2012 9:00 PM in response to Monica326

You can use iDVD with iMovie 11. There are several ways to use it.


1) You can SHARE/to iDVD. This will send a DV version to iDVD. You will only have one movie on your DVD. (With the other options it is easy to have multiple movies on your DVD.)

2) You can SHARE to Media Browser. This will create an h.264 movie that can be accessed through the Media Browser in iDVD. Many people find that this option gives the best results.

3) You can SHARE/to iTunes. This will also create a Media Browser copy.

4) You can SHARE/MOVIE. This will create an h.264 version in the location that you specify. You can then drag it into iDVD.

5) You cah SHARE/EXPORT USING QUICKTIME. This gives you a great deal of flexibility. You can use the h.264 codec, the DV codec, or whatever you want. You can then drag the resulting file into iDVD. I am not sure all the codecs that iDVD can support, but for sure it will handle h.264, AIC, and DV.


Here is advice on how to create a DVD without iDVD.

https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3711

Jul 24, 2012 3:56 PM in response to Monica326

Monica,


While I do feel this is a question you can only answer for yourself, I'll tell you this.


iMovie '11 manages Events and Projects like iTunes does.


You open iMove '11 and you have access to all your projects and events. With iMovie HD you open a project and you only have access to the clips you've imported to that project.


iMovie '11 allows you to store events on projects on external drives.


You're asking a lot of questions, which is a bit overwhelming. Perhaps we can address them one at a time.


So let's take your first one:


"My biggest questions are about the organization of my projects, importing to iMovie 11 - should I just leave the projects as they are and then import the project that I need to take the clip from?"


Honestly, I don't even understand the question.


Let me ask you this. Why do you think you need to switch to iMovie '11?


Matt

Jul 24, 2012 7:56 PM in response to AppleMan1958

Thanks again - I'm beginning to understand. I will check the information you referred to but I also thought of another question - when I use iDVD now I work from iMovie HD. Is that the only way to use it? I'm trying to decide how to get both my existing information (iMovie HD) and new information (as I videotape from my camera) into the program that I need. Looks like I'd need to put it in both places if I wanted to use it to create video clips (iMovie 11) but also make a DVD of the session (iMovie HD).


Also - what's the alternative for people who don't have iDVD? Does iMovie 11 have a way to share via DVD? (I could figure that out but I'm sure you know and can save me time 🙂).


Thanks again for sharing all your knowledge - I'm so excited - been trying to figure this problem out forever!


Oh, and yes - i have 2 hard drives with my video - one as primary and one as backup, but will also look into CrashPlan.

Jul 25, 2012 5:49 AM in response to Monica326

For Powerpoint or Keynote on a Mac, you can Share/Media Browser (then both Keynote and Powerpoint can access the Media Browser). Or you can SHARE/MOVIE, SHARE/EXPORT USING QUICKTIME etc.


For Keynote and Powerpoint, I would not use DV, because you will have an unnecessarily huge file. I would use h.264 instead.


Stay away from avi. It is an obsolete Microsoft format that Microsoft no longer supports.

WMV will probably work with Powerpoint on Windows. It might work on Mac if you install the Flip4Mac components.


If you need a single file that will work on both Mac and Windows, I suggest an MPEG4 (MP4) file in the h.264 codec.


Windows computers can view the normal files created by iMovie if you install the QuickTime Player for Windows. This is a free download from Apple. Windows can then read M4V files and MOV files.

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