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  • David Schwab Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)

    Mat Pridham1 wrote:

     

    David Schwab wrote:

     

    Who's stopping you from seeing something on the Internet? No one. Just get a d@mn RSS reader. The RSS feeds are still there. Choose the ones you want and view them already.

     

    As far as FaceBook, you might be all grown up and better than that stuff, but I'm an adult (over 50) and all my friends and family are on FaceBook. In fact yesterday I was hanging out in NYC with some FaceBook friends, one being a internationally known singer/songwriter, and the other a Grammy winning record producer/songwriter.  How about you? Sitting home reading RSS feeds?    There's lots of cool people on FaceBook.

     

    Here's an idea then...  How about you go and hangout with your FB friends and keep out of conversations that you have nothing useful to add to?!?

     

    The question marks in the original post were not literal...  it was a retorical question.

     

    We're not looking for snarky, smart-*** comments from the peanut gallery.  We're expressing our frustrating and dissatisfaction that Apple has removed a highly used feature that was not in anyones way (if they did it to make thing's easier, then I'm at a loss for how it was hard to begin with).

     

    If you have something useful to add to the conversation, then fine.  If not; well, no one asked for your opinion.

    Here's an idea; Get a clue.  Is me being snarky any different from you preaching and being self righteous? You are making these paranoid claims that Apple is taking away your Internet viewing freedoms and all this nonsense. Next they will take everyone's guns away etc, etc. All hail the Great Wall of Apple!

     

    All they did was remove RSS feeds from their applications, clearly for security reasons. You can still view any site you like. If you stop wasting your time being aggravated and get an RSS reader you will be right back to reading your RSS feeds. More efficiently too.  Apple did not block RSS feeds and did not limit your involvement with the Internet. That's a fact. But people don't like to change their habits.

     

    Even if you don't like FaceBook and other social sites, lots of intelligent adults do. The share button is very useful. It saves steps when I want to upload a video or photo, or share links with my friends and family. I can go on and list my FaceBook friends and relatives that are college professors, like my brother. But I understand if FaceBook is below you, with your busy RSS reading schedule and all. I also got back in touch with old friends of mine that I hadn't talked to in 25 years. Ain't nothing wrong with that. And why the snarky comment? Well you felt like insulting the intelligence of people like me, who might want to use FaceBook to keep in touch with people I know. You can't do that with an RSS feed, can you?

  • Mat Pridham1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    David Schwab wrote:

     

    Mat Pridham1 wrote:

     

    David Schwab wrote:

     

    Who's stopping you from seeing something on the Internet? No one. Just get a d@mn RSS reader. The RSS feeds are still there. Choose the ones you want and view them already.

     

    As far as FaceBook, you might be all grown up and better than that stuff, but I'm an adult (over 50) and all my friends and family are on FaceBook. In fact yesterday I was hanging out in NYC with some FaceBook friends, one being a internationally known singer/songwriter, and the other a Grammy winning record producer/songwriter.  How about you? Sitting home reading RSS feeds?    There's lots of cool people on FaceBook.

     

    Here's an idea then...  How about you go and hangout with your FB friends and keep out of conversations that you have nothing useful to add to?!?

     

    The question marks in the original post were not literal...  it was a retorical question.

     

    We're not looking for snarky, smart-*** comments from the peanut gallery.  We're expressing our frustrating and dissatisfaction that Apple has removed a highly used feature that was not in anyones way (if they did it to make thing's easier, then I'm at a loss for how it was hard to begin with).

     

    If you have something useful to add to the conversation, then fine.  If not; well, no one asked for your opinion.

    Here's an idea; Get a clue.  Is me being snarky any different from you preaching and being self righteous? You are making these paranoid claims that Apple is taking away your Internet viewing freedoms and all this nonsense. Next they will take everyone's guns away etc, etc.

     

    Firstly, I'm not being self-righteous...  I don't believe I'm better than you or anyone here.  I do believe that I came here to provide information and comments that ADD to the original post.

     

    You, on the other hand, are making posts that attempt to belittle those who dare to speak up for what they believe was a poor decision on Apple's part.

     

    No asked for the common Apple users opinion (that would be you).  We are all directing our comments at Apple, in hopes of squeaking loud enough to require grease.

     

    Secondly, I said nothing about Apple taking away my freedoms or internet or anything of sort.  I simply stated that there is seemingly no good reason to remove the RSS feature from Safari.

     

    Trying to make me sound like a "paranoid" delusional spouting "nonsense" is only really making you look bad.

  • s4lex Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)


    skydivertak wrote:

     

    Aha! Found this.... dated July 25, 2012

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5400

     

    “Description: A cross-site scripting issue existed in the handling of feed:// URLs. This update removes handling of feed:// URLs.”

     

    http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-0678

     

    This is why the feeds won't work! I imagine another update will restore it, once they have fixed the issue.

     

    Message was edited by: skydivertak

    Thanks for injecting some hope into this ackward discussion thread. That would be great if the RSS functionality returns in Safari 6.1. I guess I'll just be more productive until then, since I can't waste time on RSS feeds for now

     

    Maybe the Apple peeps involved are not lame brained, just a bit flat footed or inept if this is how they handle a security hole... "poor ole' dawg has a tick behind her ear -- where's mah shawtgun?"

  • neil456 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    David Schwab wrote:

     

     

    Who's stopping you from seeing something on the Internet? No one. Just get a d@mn RSS reader. The RSS feeds are still there. Choose the ones you want and view them already.

     

     

    Please think a little bit ahead.  Apple is making a statement that RSS is no longer needed.  If that statement prevails then the RSS feeds will NOT be available in the future.  Apple is a trend setter.  What does that leave?  What are the alternatives?  My guess is twitter or Facebook along with notifications.  That is bad for a few reasons, the biggest is loss of privacy.

     

    I understand you do not care about privacy and are perfectly willing to converse with your family and famous friends while at the same time letting the Facebook programmers and hackers read everything you and they write.  But, somewhere sometime the evil in this will surface.

     

    I do not want twitter or Facebook or Apple knowing what I am doing when and with whom.  But that's just me not being wowed with the technology and remembering that I can visit and talk directly with my friends.

  • David Schwab Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)

    Mat Pridham1 wrote:

     

    Again, no one asked for your opinion.  Great, you love the fact that you have to change apps to see "all your feeds in one window".  I don't.  At all.  Not even a little bit.

     

    Really? Then why are you posting on a public forum? That's asking for dialogs with other people. Talk to your shoe if you don't want strangers trying giving you helpful advice.

     

    I'm giving you a working alternative. What are you doing? If you just want to comlain to Apple, use their feedback page. That's what I did. But I'm not holding my breath. This forum is for Apple users to talk to Apple users. And some of us have been using Macs for a long time. I go back to System 7.

     

    Apple may bring RSS back to Safari. They might not. You can either sit and miss your RSS feeds and complain, or move on. I chose the latter. I don't use RSS feeds for work. But I do listen to podcasts while I work, and the RSS feeds let me know when there are new shows, since some have to be manually put in iTunes.

     

    So you didn't want my opinion, but I now have RSS feeds and you don't. How's that working for you?

     

    Oh look, 6 new articles! And I don't have to open a new tab to read them either.

  • neil456 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    neil456 wrote:

     

     

    Please think a little bit ahead.  Apple is making a statement that RSS is no longer needed.  If that statement prevails then the RSS feeds will NOT be available in the future.  Apple is a trend setter.  What does that leave?  What are the alternatives?  My guess is twitter or Facebook along with notifications.  That is bad for a few reasons, the biggest is loss of privacy.

     

     

     

    Sorry my previous posts were not as clear as they should have been.  The issue is not that social media is bad I too have friends on Facebook and Linkedin and probably would not have connected with some old friends without social media.  It has its place.  But being on Facebook all day to get news is not it.

     

    I think Apple is trying to make a statement by removing RSS and I think that eventually, forcing news through social media is bad for the reasons previously stated.  If every book that I read had to be downloaded from a government web site, it would be just creepy.  Saying that my news reading is all going to be coordinated by Google, social media, Apple, or anyone else is just as creepy.  And I do not see any other alternative if RSS feeds go away.

  • David Schwab Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)

    neil456 wrote:

     

    I think Apple is trying to make a statement by removing RSS and I think that eventually, forcing news through social media is bad for the reasons previously stated.  If every book that I read had to be downloaded from a government web site, it would be just creepy.  Saying that my news reading is all going to be coordinated by Google, social media, Apple, or anyone else is just as creepy.  And I do not see any other alternative if RSS feeds go away.

    I don't agree. There was a security risk with RSS in Safari. When you try to use RSS for the first time in Safari it tells you to find an RSS reader in the App Store. Apple just removed it from Safari. They did not make it unavailable. You just can't view the feeds in Safari.

     

    Apple also removed optical disks from some of their computers. I find that more annoying. But they will sell you an external optical drive.

  • neil456 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    David Schwab wrote:

     

     

    Apple also removed optical disks from some of their computers. I find that more annoying. But they will sell you an external optical drive.

    But downloads are more convienent and internet speeds make that acceptable now.  So by your logic making things more convienent is ok (optical disks) and making things less convientent is also ok (RSS).  Security risks can be fixed, but we have clear indications that it won't be without a change in heart by Apple (there is no 'temporary' in the security statement about removal.)  So I clearly either don't see your logic or there is none to see.

  • Mat Pridham1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    David Schwab wrote:

     

     

    I'm giving you a working alternative. What are you doing? If you just want to comlain to Apple, use their feedback page. That's what I did. But I'm not holding my breath. This forum is for Apple users to talk to Apple users. And some of us have been using Macs for a long time. I go back to System 7.

     

    So you didn't want my opinion, but I now have RSS feeds and you don't. How's that working for you?

     

     

    Yes, and thank you for that.  I might never have thought to open Google or the Mac App Store and search "RSS Reader".

     

    Seriously though, of course I am using something else in the interim, and of course I'm still reading my RSS feeds.  That doesn't mean that I like the new way of doing things, nor does it mean that I should just "get used to it" cause Apple knows better.  They are just a company with ideas... not all ideas are good ones.

     

    Also, I'm not sure what it has to do with the price of tea in China, but I too have been using Macs a long time.  Since 1985, my first mac ran Mac OS 2.0 and I learned to program using Hypercard.  But again, I'm not sure how that makes a difference in this RSS conversation we're having?

  • David Schwab Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)

    neil456 wrote:

     

    But downloads are more convienent and internet speeds make that acceptable now.  So by your logic making things more convienent is ok (optical disks) and making things less convientent is also ok (RSS).  Security risks can be fixed, but we have clear indications that it won't be without a change in heart by Apple (there is no 'temporary' in the security statement about removal.)  So I clearly either don't see your logic or there is none to see.

    OK, try and follow along here. My ex wife has a Mac Mini. She does not own a TV. She likes to watch DVDs on the computer which is in her living room. How will she do that without an optical drive? Yes, she does have NetFlix, but she had to get an external optical drive. So it was inconvenient but easily fixed.

     

    Also a lot of software comes on DVDs. Should I download the Adobe CS 6 Master collection, or use a DVD?

     

    The missing RSS feature in Safari is also easily fixed.

     

    As far as security risks. That link posted earlier was dated 07-25-1012. The Mountain Lion installer is dated 07-25-2012. So that might indicate Apple made some last minute changes.

     

    In the past Apple removed features like Labels, and then brought them back. So they might bring the feature back to Safari and Mail. And they might not. If they don't nothing is lost. You just have to use a separate application. That's actually not such a big deal, and as some have found out, once you get used to it, you might like it better.

     

    Apple also knows that some third party developers end up covering for the missing features, like the replacement Apple menus on the market, etc.

     

    For the record, I complained to Apple about the missing RSS feature as well as the missing font pane in Safari. That was easily fixed with a terminal command.

  • Mat Pridham1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    David Schwab wrote:

     

    So they might bring the feature back to Safari and Mail. And they might not. If they don't nothing is lost. You just have to use a separate application.

     

     

    OK, I'm done with this troll.

  • David Schwab Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)

    Mat Pridham1 wrote:

     

    Also, I'm not sure what it has to do with the price of tea in China, but I too have been using Macs a long time.  Since 1985, my first mac ran Mac OS 2.0 and I learned to program using Hypercard.  But again, I'm not sure how that makes a difference in this RSS conversation we're having?

     

    Well that doesn't apply to you then, but it seems some people are lost in all this and don't know what to do. So I assume they didn't live through some of the stuff Apple has killed off in the past, like Hypercard. And then we had the 68K to PPC to Intel transitions. Smooth for the most part, but then they drop Rosetta, and you see people get upset. My point being that this is nothing new. Hypercard is a perfect example, because no matter how cool and useful it was, they did not change their mind on that one.

     

    I can make a long list of things that annoy me in OS X. Like applications jumping to the front when you launch them. I like to take advantage of being able to launch an app, saw like Photoshop, that takes a little while to get going, and  then switch back to the e-mail I was writing. Not being the best typist, I might have to look at the keyboard every now and then, and when I look back up, Photoshop has come to the front and nothing I typed got into the e-mail!

     

    But it's still a great OS, even if I don't always understand what they were thinking when they implemented something. They are clearly trying to get new Mac users by luring them with iOS devices, and even have some windowisms thrown in. It seems to be working, so more power to them. But now we have a lot of lowest common denominator features. Not as bad as At Ease was and lets hope it doesn't go there.

     

    Best thing is that everyone keep giving Apple constructive feedback.

  • David Schwab Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)

    You know where you can stuff that troll right?

     

    The difference between us is I'm thinking, and you are running off emotions. Use your brain. it doesn't hurt.

     

    I'm done here. I have some RSS feeds to read  lol

  • neil456 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    David Schwab wrote:

     

    The difference between us is I'm thinking, and you are running off emotions. Use your brain. it doesn't hurt.

    We will just have to differ on your comment.  You think that Apple's action does not impact the future because Apple or someone you respect did not tell you it would have an impact.  I think that what Apple does today does impact the future because Apple has not said it wouldn't.  You are unconcerned and that is your right.  I am concerned, and that is my right.  But trying to force an illogical argument to logically support your view only proves one thing.  And it's clear.

  • +om Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Aha! Found this.... dated July 25, 2012

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5400

    “Description: A cross-site scripting issue existed in the handling of feed:// URLs. This update removes handling of feed:// URLs.”

    http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-0678

    This is why the feeds won't work! I imagine another update will restore it, once they have fixed the issue.

     

    Thanks for the new insight. Makes it more understandable. I still hope for a fix. Vienna/NNW/etc don't do it for me. You don't really miss something until it's suddenly gone..

    [edited source]

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