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Aug 9, 2012 4:05 PM in response to testosterosaby neil456,testosterosa wrote:
My practice is to buy a new MacBookPro every three years (when AppleCare runs out). My next purchase would be July 2013. If this frog is going to jump out of the pot then that is a perfect time to do it.
Same here, and since I do sub-contract work, my computer must be portable and since I value my eyes it must be 17 inch. Right now, that means it's the end of Mac's for me and I've never personally owned a PC. I hope 17 inch MacBookPro's come back before late 2013. Or I will be forced to switch.
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Aug 9, 2012 4:27 PM in response to JonK..by s4lex,JonK.. wrote:
should women all wear veils to please a subset of people who are required to wear veils?
Not sure how JonK got there from here. Wow. Not sure there is any response to that zinger, but I'm going to have to take everything else this person spouts with a proverbial grain of salt.
The nice thing about the RSS functionality in Safari pre-6 and OS X pre-Mountain Lion was that it was so simple and unobstrusive.
I guess it is possible that a handful of people in the Universe might have gone into seizures when the little RSS button would appear for sites that published RSS. More realistically, I'd guess 9 out of 10 Safari users never even noticed it.
Any analogy to authoritarian states that imprison women for going out in public without a veil seems a bit over the top -- wouldn't ya say?!?
Dear Apple: Please put your simply beautiful RSS functionality back into Safari 6!
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Aug 9, 2012 4:50 PM in response to testosterosaby s4lex,testosterosa wrote:
The question is: Do I wait until Apple has turned the MacBookPro into nothing more than a keyboard-equipped iPad before I find an alternative? Or do I start looking for an alternative now? (This is a rhetorical question).
Well put. I hadn't thought of it quite that way, but that is the general motivation for my investing any more of my time in this thread. As I said in my first reply or two, I wouldn't enjoy the financial and creative freedom that I have today, if it weren't for Apple's effort thru the past decade.
It seems like they were making risky/disruptive technology-driven decisions when their stock price was under $100, but now that their stock price is $600+ they are more focused on making safe/protectionist business-driven decisions to keep the stock price high. That focus is fine if you are an Apple shareholder or iConsumer ("the needs of the many"), but not so rosy if you are a power user or professional technologist ("the needs of the few") who actually uses Apple keyboard-equipped computers to solve difficult problems in the most productive manner.
As they say, history repeats itself and maybe we're seeing Apple take the arc that IBM, Sun, DEC, Microsoft and other successful tech giants did in the past -- but I'd advise them to consider that most of these tech giants had a significant business customer base that Apple sorely lacks. This balanced them in a way that Apple is not, so their decline was gradual. Consumers are fashion and trend driven, so the tide could turn swiftly against Apple if it forgets what made it great. Consider Sony.
Dear Apple: Please put your simply beautiful RSS functionality back into Safari 6!
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Aug 9, 2012 9:40 PM in response to ZORGALISCIOUSby s4lex,A few more thoughts:
- If you google "apple rss site:apple.com" you get back "About 17,200,000 results" -- isn't it interesting that Apple took the RSS out of the latest Safari and OS X updates, but not out of their own web presence (Apple.com)
- If Apple really thinks RSS is dead, why have they not posted anything official? Has anyone? The few references I can find other than threads like this and a couple of blog posts, like this one from TUAW adopt the usual Mac fan-sheep defeatism "RSS no longer mentioned on Apple product page, nothing to see here, move along to 3rd party apps." What ever happened to old fashioned journalism, like asking Apple to respond on their strategic plans for RSS. Someone with the kind of traffic that TUAW sees should step up to the plate, IMHO.
- Does Apple's silence indicate a hasty, last minute decision to plug a security hole? Might RSS return in the x.1 round of OS X ML and Safari 6 patches? If I google "rss 2012 site:apple.com", most of the results in the first few result pages refer back to support threads like this asking where RSS went.
- Ran across this post today on how to Restore Apple’s RSS Visualizer Screensaver To Mountain Lion -- so apparently they didn't completely remove RSS functionality in Mountain Lion (or maybe overlooked it in a few places -- left a security hole?)
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Aug 9, 2012 10:15 PM in response to cheeeeeby sjk,cheeeee wrote:
I made a safari extension that allow you to preview RSS feeds in the current window. I hope this extension makes Safari6 users happy a bit. (I know it cannot be an altenertive )
Blog - http://cmonos.jp/blog/2012072700/1.shtml
Download - http://cmonos.jp/download/safari-extensions/RelatedLinksBar_en.safariextz
Thanks for writing and sharing that. Its article preview mode is the closest I've ssen so far to an RSS reader replacement for Safari 6. I don't really have any need for the separate feed button/toolbar. Just some way of displaying the number of unread articles for specific feeds (like in the per-Safari 6 bookmark bar), identifying which ones are unread from the preview mode, and selecting which one(s) to open (e.g. in new tabs) is what I'm looking/hoping for.
Here's a specific example of efficient RSS feed processing I've lost with Safari 6:
- Initially, once, add MacUpdate feed so its unread count will appear in bookmark bar
- Regularly open MU feed (e.g. daily) to preview sometime after noticing it has unread articles
- Open subset of MU feed's product listing pages in background tabs for browsing at my convenience
I've also lost the convenience of monitoring a few "site status" feeds using Safari RSS.
Those examples are in addition to NetNewsWire usage for the majority of feeds, viewing full articles in its tabs or Safari as appropriate. Safari RSS has served me quite well for a small, purposeful subset of feeds but certainly doesn't upscale well enough for all of them.
Something I haven't noticed mentioned anywhere is that kMDItemWhereFroms metadata is added to most items copied/downloaded from Safari, which can often be beneficial with feeds as the starting point and later Spotlight searching. I'm not aware of other apps (RSS or otherwise) that add that metadata; NetNewsWire doesn't.
Using multiple RSS clients, like I've done, can provide a more desirable level of efficiency and functionality than just using one.
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Aug 10, 2012 1:14 AM in response to sjkby michjunge,I don't really have any need for the separate feed button/toolbar. Just some way of displaying the number of unread articles for specific feeds (like in the per-Safari 6 bookmark bar), identifying which ones are unread from the preview mode, and selecting which one(s) to open (e.g. in new tabs) is what I'm looking/hoping for.
Exactly! I have a folder of RSS bookmarks in my Bookmarks Bar for each group of news sources I follow on a daily basis. My bookmarks bar looks like this:
News (11) Tech stuff (32) Sports (3) ...
... with a count of unread articles. One click and I can see what sources have unread stuff for me. Two more clicks and I am on a specific webpage reading that specific article. The convenience of this is unrivaled - or at least I haven't been able to find anything to replace it.
The RSS feeds are all ultimately webpages so I really don't want to use a separate app for them, they are perfectly placed in my bookmarks bar, ready to be clicked and shown as the original web source.
Anyway I'm back in Safari 5 now and not upgrading til Mnt Lion until I have found a practical solution.
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Aug 10, 2012 3:07 AM in response to JonK..by atimoshenko,JonK.. wrote:
there is a good reason why they did it... not researching why (or the next generation of that type of service) is having one's eyes wide shut...
No there isn't a good reason. In a company of 47k+ people, a few incompetents are bound to slip thorugh, and one of them demonstrated poor judgement.
As of right now, there is NOTHING that presents a new viable alternative to RSS. No HTML5/H.264 equivalent for Flash, no CD-RW/jumpdrive equivalent for floppies. Neither is there any noticeable performance (Flash), simplicity (floppies), or anything-else gain from the removal of RSS.
Our favourite company made a bad call (just as they did with Save As/Duplicate). Not the end of the end of the world, but they have to learn from it and reverse it.
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Aug 10, 2012 12:30 PM in response to ZORGALISCIOUSby poddan,Hello Apple! Its VERY irritating that you don't communicate with your users on why you excluded RSS, please speak :(
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Aug 10, 2012 12:55 PM in response to poddanby s4lex,Agreed. Today is the 25th anniversary of the unveiling of Apple's HyperCard. It would be nice if Apple honored this date with some clue as to what happened to RSS in Safari 6. Is it gone forever, and if so, why? If it was disabled until the XSS bug could be fixed, could you let us know or maybe leak some news to a reliable Mac news outlet? Thanks!
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Aug 11, 2012 12:01 AM in response to ZORGALISCIOUSby Charles Belov,I've added my feedback to Apple to restore RSS. The bizarre thing is that it's still there, tantalizingly beyond my reach but not usable.
There doesn't seem to be a way to search only this thread, so I apologize if this has been brought up already.
I'm on OS X 10.7 (Lion) and Safari 6. I have all my feeds of interest in the bookmarks bar. If I do Bookmarks > Show All Bookmarks and choose the bookmarks bar to view, I see all my wonderful RSS feeds displayed in -- well, iTunes calls it CoverFlow, not sure what it's called in Safari -- in exactly the way each of them appeared in Safari 5, down to the unread entries having the light blue background. So the code is might still there in the product, or it could be a screen print--the display is a few days old. But if I click on that "cover" it still switches to Mail, which I can't get into unless I set up an e-mail account, which I don't wish to do.
I do find that if I use invalid@invalid.invalid, mail.invalid.invalid and smtp.invalid.invalid, I can set up a dummy mail account and get to the RSS feed contents, but now I have to view each item one by one, one click per item, instead as a continuous web page the way I could in Safari 5.
I want my RSS-as-a-single-page-in-Safari back!
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Aug 11, 2012 8:02 AM in response to Charles Belovby nybe,Follow the instructions in the link below to - uninstall Safari 6 in Lion - install Safari 5.1.7 - get RSS back.
http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/57916/how-do-you-remove-safari-6-on-mac -osx-10-7-4
If your downgraded Safari does not work, install Safari 5.1.7 again using the Safari5.1.7LionManual.dmg
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Aug 13, 2012 10:26 AM in response to ZORGALISCIOUSby mungeo,Just adding my bitter disappointent that Apple seem to be going way off track on this RSS issue. Safari 6 is definitely *not* an improvement and never will be without the integral RSS reader that made RSS so easy. Waken up Apple!
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Aug 13, 2012 11:36 AM in response to mungeoby Allan Eckert,Apple is NOT here.
This is a user top user forum.
Allan
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Aug 13, 2012 12:44 PM in response to Allan Eckertby Mat Pridham1,Allan Eckert wrote:
Apple is NOT here.
Don't be niave. Any thread with 18,000+ Views and 280+ Replies/Complaints has the attention of Apple. How do I know? Just try to post the email address of anyone on the Safari development team and see how long it takes to be removed... They are watching this thread, message-for-message.
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Aug 13, 2012 1:26 PM in response to Mat Pridham1by Allan Eckert,Yes. The mods are but not the Apple engineers.
Allan