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Aug 14, 2012 3:51 PM in response to nybeby michjunge,Just leave erebos alone, don't drag this thread to the gutter by getting offended by him. Replies will only escalate.
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Aug 14, 2012 4:05 PM in response to michjungeby erebos,michjunge wrote:
Just leave erebos alone, don't drag this thread to the gutter by getting offended by him. Replies will only escalate.
Some people do find logic offensive, especially when they lack the facility to grasp it. So I'd agree with you in that replies should be limited to those who can communicate with more than a pictograph or whiney "but mommy I want THAT one" temper tanrums...
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Aug 14, 2012 4:41 PM in response to erebosby Gunnar Rögnvaldsson,Your are quite right Erebos. Gunnar will never use Chrome. It is just a trawling soup device pulling tiny small fishes into their flame of burned feeds. And if the Google non-customer-search-engine-company continues on this path to self-destruct, then, by all means, they are entitled to do so. Let them. But we are aint going to follow. Let them. Apple on the other hand should continue to be proud of things they never did and always remember rule number X.
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Aug 14, 2012 5:15 PM in response to erebosby Casban,We can figure out how to do that, but that's not the issue. The reason the users of Chrome and Firefox would search for alternative RSS readers is because they had to. I've seen the RSS implementations there. I couldn't leave Safari back when Firefox was "in" and later when Chrome was the fastest cat on the track because the RSS implemetations were so inferior.
But now that's been rudely taken from us and that is what we complain about. If you insist on calling us babies, then call Apple the parent-killer because that would be similarly appropriate.
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Aug 16, 2012 1:05 PM in response to robotbootby paul1@mac.com,absolutely ridiculous. steve wouldn't have allowed this. why do i need this useless reader for offline browsing? who is offline ever? give us back rss with mac simplicity cause the rss readers in the app store suck.
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Aug 16, 2012 1:31 PM in response to ZORGALISCIOUSby Scyanide,Man this thread has been going on for a while now...
I did a bit of searching around on why RSS was removed. It wasn't until recently I also had realized that a lot of big sites are slowly moving away from RSS opting for having their content be read through Facebook or Twitter or some other social site. I don't know the full decsision on why they are doing this but it seems to be a growing trend of mixing news content and your social circles.
I think Apple has taken notice of this growing trend and went ahead and removed support for RSS because of this. You see that they are integrating Twitter and, soon, Facebook into OS X. You can almost get the same effect of RSS with Twitter by following all of the news content that you would normally get with RSS.
So I wouldn't blame Apple on this. Blame a changing market. Apple is just following in the footsteps of trending movements. RSS is slowly going away. Most of my most visited sites have removed RSS in favor of social networks.
Again, I don't know why people want to mix news content with social circles but apparently they do and that is where it is going.
EDIT:
Also recently read that even Google Reader will sooner or later be merged into Google+. For now it stands alone but even it will slowly go away in the near future.
What I'm starting to do is move my Google Reader subscriptions over to my twitter account. I don't use the account for much anyways. I'll keep Facebook for friends/family/etc and keep twitter for news. For now.
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Aug 16, 2012 2:51 PM in response to Scyanideby nybe,here's just one, very simple example of how I use RSS to make categorized and very specific searched lists:
(of course if you're in Safari 6, the following link won't work)
craigslist search: audi allroad - max price: $8500 - has images - Westsde L.A.
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feed://losangeles.craigslist.org/search/cta/wst?hasPic=1&maxAsk=8500&query=allro ad&srchType=T&format=rss
I totally get the move to the whole social monster but this kinda listable RSS search with specific variables just doesn't translate in the "social services."
Not to mention the ever demising lack of anonymity with social... They, including our beloved Apple, want to track us and our individual online movements more and more as they make more money of our trackable habits. I'll say it again; we have become the commodity.
anonymous really is the new famous.
Message was edited by: nybe
guess what; RSS links don't work in these forums anymore.
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Aug 16, 2012 4:31 PM in response to nybeby erebos,nybe wrote:
anonymous really is the new famous.
Logically if anonymity is fame, then fame is anonymity.
So pick a name, a password, and an email address, and start acting out your new made up life.
My dire prediction for the future is that we lose our identities and become nameless automatons, but only online. Assuming it's an option to be offline. Anyhow, if it's bad for the species evoution will just make us stronger and then we'll (the masses) will have yet another bloody revolution. Eventually the people in control will stop shooting themselves in the foot or driving us to slaughter them.
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Aug 16, 2012 8:32 PM in response to Gunnar Rögnvaldssonby Sasparilla256,Gunnar, if you are using Lion and the safari RSS is that important to you - consider adding Safari 5.1.7 back to your system (if you have access to it in Time Machine or a Mac that wasn't updated, just copy the v5.1.7 package out of Applications - should be about 40MB) on your v6 Lion system make a new directory in the Applications folder (like Old Safari) and drop the v5.1.7 package in there - it runs just fine (at the moment) with RSS working again (don't run both at the same time since they share user files and corruption could occur).
Other folks have pointed out that the Safari v6 Developer Preview 2 uninstaller actually works on the released version of v6 (which actually saves a backup copy of v5.1.7 for this) on Lion. Now Apple has recently taken this down from their Developer website but a friend of mine said he was able to find it online (not a lot of places), said a search for the file name "safari_6_developer_preview_2_for_lion_uninstaller.dmg" the first return had the file but not much else.
These guys seemed to know what they were doing:
I'm back to running on v5.1.7 (not a great long term solution since security updates aren't happening on 5), after the v6 upgrade and holy stuff moment, cause the Safari RSS implementation is worth it to me.
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Aug 16, 2012 9:11 PM in response to Sasparilla256by Gunnar Rögnvaldsson,Thank your for your kind advice Sasparilla 256
We have decided to go back to Snow Leopard on all our stuff. We will use the Migration Assistant to recover from this mess. It will take some time, but that time is better spent on that rather than continuing glamouring around the Internet in Safari 6 without a compass. We have lost many workhours because of this. Enough is enough. Maybe we will drop by again in the future and pick some useful stuff up, once Apple arrives back form space to mother earth again.
Cheers, and may the Force be with you
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Aug 17, 2012 10:26 AM in response to Gunnar Rögnvaldssonby Sasparilla256,You're welcome Gunnar, good luck with your rollback to Snow Leopard, ahhh Rosetta, real non iPad looking scroll bars, Save As menu options...things users liked....I remember those...
I have to confess I've been considering rolling back to Snow Leopard from Lion just to enjoy it a little while longer (I've got a disk image I made before clean installing Lion several months ago) since security updates only stopped this last month.
If Snow Leopard was still getting security updates (it still should be getting them IMHO, just doing security updates for the current 2 releases when you've shifted over to a 1 year release schedule is dumb, dumb, dumb - future security updates stop after 2 years on that schedule...), I'd be there with you in a heartbeat (although the iCloud integration to my phone and iPad in Lion is great).
Best of luck Gunnar.
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Aug 24, 2012 4:58 AM in response to Sasparilla256by David Schwab,Sasparilla256 wrote:
Gunnar, if you are using Lion and the safari RSS is that important to you - consider adding Safari 5.1.7 back to your system (if you have access to it in Time Machine or a Mac that wasn't updated, just copy the v5.1.7 package out of Applications - should be about 40MB) on your v6 Lion system make a new directory in the Applications folder (like Old Safari) and drop the v5.1.7 package in there - it runs just fine (at the moment) with RSS working again (don't run both at the same time since they share user files and corruption could occur).
I tried this to get the font settings back and it was gone, just like in Safari 6. I didn't try the RSS feature because I actually like using a separate RSS reader now better. But Safari 5.1.7 wasn't working like it should have been. I assume that was because of WebKit or other framework changes.
If you are using an RSS reader, RSS links on websites still work when you click on them in Safari. It sends them to the RSS reader. I tried NewNewsWire and Vienna, and it worked that way with both of them.
I wouldn't even go back to using RSS in Safari if they brought it back in the next OS update.
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Aug 24, 2012 7:21 AM in response to ZORGALISCIOUSby AppleSean,Yes, I must say I'm personally very disappointed that Apple has not communicated on this issue. As a former Apple employee, I feel as though my colleagues are dropping the ball. Has anyone on this forum received any sort of communication directly from Apple on this issue?
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Aug 24, 2012 7:56 AM in response to ZORGALISCIOUSby Glen M,I was at an Apple store 2 days ago waiting for my friend who was waiting for a Genius so he could pick up his Mac mini. Just standing there, a customer asked a Genius about his RSS missing, and the Genius obviously not knowing what RSS is, didn’t have a clue, he went to asked someone, and returned after 2 minutes, "Yea, it was dropped. Dunno why."
Do you remember when the Genius bar had free bottled water?
Do you remember when the Genius was smarter than the bottled water?
Do you remember when the Genius wasn’t doing 4 other things at the same time, and you actually had his full attention?
Do you remember when you were able to ask how to make a movie without paying $99 first?
Do you remember when every Apple store employee knew how to format a drive?
Do you remember when every new version of OS X was an awe inspiring advancement in computer user interfaces?
Do you remember when only Microsoft produced frustrating software?
Do you remember when Apple had at least 1 employee with an imagination? We miss you, Steve!