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Final Cut X and Mountain Lion

Can anyone give me a read as to the implications of Mountain Lion and Final Cut X on a Mac Pro? Middle of edit and also about to begin anew, need to know this useful information from a pro. Who was it? Tom Wolsky that I was so impressed with guding us thrhough the first 6 months of Final Cut X ****? Tom, are you there? Any other sigificant hitters within reach? Thanks! William Shanley

Final Cut Pro X, OS X Mountain Lion, Mac 8 core early 2008

Posted on Jul 25, 2012 6:18 PM

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Jul 25, 2012 9:00 PM in response to superluminal

I wouldn't change OS in the middle of a project. The app seems to work unchanged. I'm not a fan of the whole direction the Mac OS has been going in since Snow Cat. The new features mean little to me, and the continued dumbing down is frustrating. If you want a new OS buy it.

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Jul 26, 2012 6:38 AM in response to superluminal

To answer your question, FCPX works fine for the the most part under Mountain Lion, but I did encounter one so far bug. There seems to be an issue with Optical Flow analysis. Anything that was already analysed prior to Mountain Lion still renders beautifully, but if I try to analyze any new clips it doesn't produce correct results. To be more specific, when I turn on optical flow for new clips, all I get is simple frame blending. I started using twixtor as a workaround, but it would be nice to have Apple's optical flow working again.


So far that's the only issue I've encountered. If anything, the all feels just a hair snappier under ML (who really knows, though). No show-stoppers or anything like that... so far. With all the updates Apple has pushed out this week I wouldn't be surprised to see a fix soon.

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Jul 26, 2012 7:33 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

No, but I might know what you're referring to. I noticed around the release of .4 that they changed they way it worked with regard to stabilization. If I uses the two together, I would get ghosting. I found that in order to stabilize AND retime, I would have to first export a stabilized clip and then apply retiming effects to the fully baked clip. That produces much better results and eliminates distortion.


I'm not entirely sure what elly effect you're talking about, but is it anything like rolling shutter? I do see distortion from time to time with optical flow against busy backgrounds, but even twixtor pro has trouble with that. My current issue isn't just problematic results, it's no results a all. The analysis is completing way too fast, which leads me to believe something is going wrong at that stage (I suspect it's a GPU issue since early builds of ML are said to have had GPU problems in FCPX).

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Jul 26, 2012 8:20 AM in response to pulpjedi

It's similar to rolling shutter only more pronounced and near the edges of the frame. Not only on stabilized material. It very much depends on content; shots panning with moving objects seem most susceptible.


My analysis is not fast at all. Again it may depend on content. I looked at optical flow frames slowed to 25% and frame blended frames using waveform images and there is a noticeable difference in the output.

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Aug 9, 2012 7:39 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

I do appreciate your response Tom, but it HAS to be a ML issue. I haven't done a single thing different other than upgrade to ML. As Pulpjedi said above, worked in Lion and 45 minutes later it was not working in ML. I'm not getting a jelly effect or artifacts, it just plain and simply isn't working. It's applying frame blending, not optical flow. I don't see how this isn't a ML problem.


And what "feedback" are you talking about? Reviewing Final Cut in the app store?


Thanks Tom.

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Aug 9, 2012 10:38 AM in response to superluminal

Same here userfcpx, just submitted it myself. It's a pretty big deal being that I had a few projects that I needed to do some final color grading touches on and now I can't export them without having my optical flow clips looking very bad (frame blending is terrible IMO).

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Aug 23, 2012 1:51 PM in response to superluminal

Very same issue here.


Quite special. In fact, if the clip is in H264, it won't do anything *at all*.

If the clip is "optimized" or pro-res 422 encoded, it will do frame blending instead of Optical Flow analysis....


Have you managed to find any workaround ? This is very strange, because it doesn't seems to be exactly the optical flow process but the import process : Clip imported BEFORE the Mountain Lion upgrade can be Optical Flow analysed without problems...

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Aug 23, 2012 2:12 PM in response to Khemael

Tom, Khemal, et al--


Tom thanks for the advice that began this thread when you answered my question about the implications for FCX using ML.


I must admit, I'm a bit behind the curve as an editor, and would like to know more about what optical flow is and the problems enountered.


Please advise.


Thanks everyone!


William

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