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Arrows hack for mountain lion?

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Sam Beaver Level 1 Level 1 (120 points)
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Jul 26, 2012 10:04 AM

Is there a hack to get arrows back?

fatter scrollbars are better to grab hold of, but precision is preferred.

iMac, imac, macpro, macbook, ipad, ect.
  • baltwo Level 9 Level 9 (59,180 points)
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    Jul 26, 2012 12:01 PM (in response to Sam Beaver)

    No. Apple doesn't like anything that can't work on their iOS devices. They prefer gesturing to mousing.

    27" i7 iMac 10.6.8, Mac OS X (10.7.4), G4 450 MP w/Leopard, 9.2.2
  • KC7GNM Level 4 Level 4 (2,720 points)
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    Jul 26, 2012 12:04 PM (in response to Sam Beaver)

    What is wrong with the percision on scrolling using two fingers? I can go pretty slow if needed. Doesn't bother me at all. You just need to get used to gestures.

     

    If you scroll then place the cursor over the bar on the right it will get fatter and you can then scroll that way too.

  • baltwo Level 9 Level 9 (59,180 points)
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    Jul 26, 2012 12:19 PM (in response to KC7GNM)

    Doesn't apply to might mice users, since gestures aren't available. One size fits all is a poor design choice, but then Apple's trying to make computers mimic iOS devices, which they'll never become.

    27" i7 iMac 10.6.8, Mac OS X (10.7.4), G4 450 MP w/Leopard, 9.2.2
  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (23,905 points)
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    Jul 26, 2012 12:25 PM (in response to Sam Beaver)

    Did you try using the arrow keys?

  • actionmarker Level 3 Level 3 (875 points)
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    Aug 9, 2012 7:21 AM (in response to Sam Beaver)

    Hi Sam,

     

    I think it depends a little on what type of mouse/trackpad/scrolling device you are using.

     

    1. You can go to System Preferences > General and Show scroll bars always. There is also an option there to set the scroll bar to jump to a point or page if that's any use. At lease with this option, the scroll bars are always visible and may help with moving the bar.

     

    2. Depending if you are using a mouse or trackpad ot other, you can adjust the scrolling speed right down and this will give you much more precision as well. Easyiest place to do these settings are in System Preferences > Accessibility > Mouse & Trackpad.

  • anyfors Calculating status...
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    Aug 15, 2012 9:16 PM (in response to etresoft)

    arrow keys don't work as part of the scroll bar and you're liable to get unexpected results. Has happened to me multiple times.

  • anyfors Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Aug 15, 2012 9:18 PM (in response to actionmarker)

    Actionmarker - neither of these solutions does anything for a person who is using a mac mouse/keyboard on a full sized iMac. I know, pardon us for being the minority. The point is, the scroll bar we've got in Mountain Lion doesn't work very well - it's really unreliable about what we'll get when we mouse on it. So it would be nice to have our little arrows back so we'd know what we were going to get.

  • actionmarker Level 3 Level 3 (875 points)
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    Aug 16, 2012 2:14 AM (in response to anyfors)

    Hi anyfors,

     

    I understand where you are coming from, but I am not aware of an utility that may return the scrolling arrows. Not saying there isn't anything out there though.

     

    So what type of mouse are you using now?

     

    A couple of things you might be able to try that also may be better for you egonomically as well as functionally.

     

    Apple Magic Mouse - I have only used one a little myself, but on it, the one finger scrolling gesture seems to work quite well, for both up and down and across the page. This I guess also depends on what application you are using that you require the scrolling for, or basically how well the app developer supports the scrolling gestures in ML. With this one fingure gesture, for example in Safari, you don't need the scroll bars at all. You just scroll with one finger where ever the cursor is on the screen and the page will scroll. You can get that very accurate, depending on the scrolling  speed you have set it for.

     

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    See here

     

    Another solution for you, and this is where the ergonomics will come in too, is a trackball type mouse, where there the is a ball you roll, either with a finger, thumb or hand, depending on the type. This type again, should allow you to ignore the scroll bars completely and should give you very high accuracy. I know a few people at my work use these in various forms, and they all agree that if yo find the type that is suitable for your needs, they are brilliant.

     

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  • anyfors Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Aug 16, 2012 4:50 AM (in response to actionmarker)

    I have a perfectly good Apple mouse that came with my keyboard. I like it. I hate the touch mice. Have used them. Hate them.

     

    The trackballs are a possibility because I've had them before and they aren't bad, some of them, but the thing is how well will they work with a Mac and WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO BUY NEW HARDWARE BECAUSE SOME MEANIE DECIDED TO TAKE AWAY THE ARROWS????

     

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  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,065 points)
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    Aug 16, 2012 4:51 AM (in response to anyfors)

    anyfors wrote:

     

    I have a perfectly good Apple mouse that came with my keyboard. I like it. I hate the touch mice. Have used them. Hate them.

     

    The trackballs are a possibility because I've had them before and they aren't bad, some of them, but the thing is how well will they work with a Mac and WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO BUY NEW HARDWARE BECAUSE SOME MEANIE DECIDED TO TAKE AWAY THE ARROWS????

    That should endear you to all those who may have been able to help you. Goodbye.

     

    pete

  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (167,195 points)
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    Sep 7, 2012 10:06 AM (in response to Sam Beaver)

    Etresoft is most definitely a professional user and clearly understands the issue of scroll bars and arrows. But since the arrows at the ends of the scroll bars were removed in Lion and do not exist in Mountain Lion and no hack is going to be able to bring them back, etresoft is trying to suggest alternatives. There is therefore no call for you to be insulting.

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