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  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (68,945 points)

    HI,

     

    Apple once sent me a T shirt.

     

    At the time there were about 300 (just about) who had access to the Lounge (now Level 6 though the points needed are the same) who also got one.

     

    iChat always had these things.

    In some ways Messages hides them.  (Buddy Lists for AIM and Jabber, Bonjour and Yahoo are not on view)

    Some Menu items only go dark (and Accessible when the right window is "Front".

     

    In some cases the menu items have disappeared but the function is still there (Sending SMS to a Phone Number in an AIM Buddy list  - the restrictions on this, to phones in the United States severely limit this function)

     

    Thanks for your comments.

     

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    8:02 PM      Saturday; December 22, 2012


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  • jamiepowers Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Whenever I click the icon for messages in my dock, a window pops up that wasnt there when it was just ichat.  It is the window to create new messages but I just find it big and annoying.  Is there a way to just view my buddy list and not have that separate window pop up?

  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (68,945 points)

    HI,

     

    A sort of yes and no answer really.

     

    You can't get away from using the Messages Window (See Window Menu  CMD+ 0) when doing any sort of Text chat.

    However it does not have to be on view.

     

    Buddy Lists are not on View by default and when you show them they are, also by default, combined into one list.

     

    When you add and AIM or Jabber or Yahoo ID  to the Account parts of the Messages Preferences or Enable the Bonjour account then an item is added to the Window Menu that reads "Buddies" with CMD + 1 as the keystrokes.

     

    They can be unlinked in the General Section of the Preferences by unticking the "Show All Accounts in one list"  (It is misleading as it implies the iMessages account will be in there as well).

     

    The Red button can then be used on the Windows Menu leaving you with as many buddy lists as you have logged in.

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    The Green icons still start A/V  chats like they did in iChat.

    Double clicking a Buddy will bring back the Messages Window as the Chat window.  (You will probably need to make sure you save chats on dismissing them and then close the Window again)

     

    There is not a perfect answer and this is about as close as you can get.

     

     

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    8:03 PM      Tuesday; December 25, 2012


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  • speedymank Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi,

     

         I'm directing this post to Ralph.

     

    I just got a new MacBook Pro and am having trouble with Messages (obviously, or I wouldn't be posting on a "Messages" thread). I transferred all the data from my old computer to this new one through an external hard drive and Time Machine. I have several years of iChat conversations saved from my old computer on this new one. When I open up one of these old iChat conversations, Messages launches and the conversation pops up on my screen -- all is well. But I have a serious problem in that I cannot use the "Find" feature to locate a specific word or phrase. So if I have a long iChat document and want to search for something like "on that tuesday the 14th..." then i would have to read through the entire document just to find the phrase. How do I enable the "Find" feature (which worked on iChat by simply pressing Command>F, as I'm sure you know) for old chats on Messages? Thanks for helping me with your previous posts on this thread, and thanks in advance for helping with my specific question.

  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (68,945 points)

    HI,

     

    In some ways I preferred the Messages Beta way of filling the chat Window with all the History from one person which did make it searchable.

     

    Group chat took a little more work  (identifying the one person who was in the Chat but not in any single 1-1 chats) to get the whole chat to pop up.

     

    Messages itself now deals with those files in (Default) ~/Documents/iChats as separate entities and only displays the chat.

    The best you can do is scroll the chat.

     

    If you access the ~/Library then Messages then Archive and open a chat this way it also appears as a separate chat  (Not in the main Messages Window even though save by the App.).

     

    Neither pre-Messages Chats or Messages saved items are searchable by this method.

    CMD + E also does not work from the Edit Menu > Find.

     

    Spotlight obviously looks in ~/Documents/iChats

    What is less clear is that it also searches ~/Library/Messages/Archives and can display older chats from either location.

     

    The thing I tried after that was to use Open With and use TextEdit  to open the chat.

    This is not a very "clean" method of opening a chat as you see all the info that makes up the balloons and backdrops to Chats.

    However you can then use Find.  (If you can be that specific about the search phrase).

     

     

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    8:20 PM      Friday; December 28, 2012


    Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"

     

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     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
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     Couple of iPhones and an iPad

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  • speedymank Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hey Ralph,

     

         Thanks for your help. I tried the Text Edit method you described and it does work, but like you said its also very messy. Do you know of a place I can download the latest version of iChat from?

  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (68,945 points)

    HI,

     

    You  would be out of luck with that method as well.

     

    Messages 7.0.1 will only work if you have OS X 10.8.2

    Messages 7.0 will only work in OS X 10.8 and OS X 10.8.1

     

    It has been like this since iChat 3  (OS X 10.4.0)

    There were two stand alone Updates to iChat during iChat 3 the rest came with the OS updates.

    In Leopard (OS X 10.5.x) there are 9 updates to iChat before we finally get to iChat 4.0.9

     

    This is why the most common method of Reinstalling the iChat app in early OS version involved "running the COMBO"  installer of the last OS update to update the App.

     

    This would mean asking at  http://www.apple.com/feedback/ichat.html to have the "feature" returned to the App

    You will notice the OS versions and the iChat versions (Drop Downs) do not match and you will have to add that info to the Free Text area.

     

     

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    7:59 PM      Saturday; December 29, 2012


    Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"

     

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  • David Gnotta Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Ralph,

     

    You seem to be the lifesaver here, can I trouble you for some advise as well? I would be happy to make and send you a t-shirt ;-)

     

    I am on a newer Mac running Mountain Lion and using Messages.

     

    My elderly father is on a Macbook that is one generation too old to be able to go past Lion, so he still only has iChat, not Messages. He has a MobileMe email address.

     

    Screen  sharing is the BEST way for helping an 84 year old ... believe me!

     

    I don't seem to be able to figure out how to get his MobileMe email registered for Messages. (My impression is that once I do this, he can use his iChat and I can use Messages and we can screen share again ... correct?)

     

    Everything I see about doing this seems to refere to if you are using a iMobile device or are on Mountain Lion, not how to get the old iChat from Lion to work with the newer Messages.

     

    Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated!  and really .... I would be thrilled to get you a Super Mac Genius shirt made!!

  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (68,945 points)

    HI,

     

    This is about what an Account in either app will do against what it will not do.

     

    Messages can have the iMessages account to Connect to iMessages users with either iPhone Number or Apple IDs

     

    You can still have AIM (Or AIM Valid names) and Jabber IDs (Which include GoogleTalk and Facebook IDs)

     

    As with iChat you do not get service cross over.  It is AIM to AIM, Jabber to Jabber or iMessages to iMessages.

     

    Now he has an Apple ID that is also a Valid AIM Name (and could be an iMessages ID IF he had Mountain Lion).

    However he can only use it as an AIM name in iChat.

    In turn that means you have to use an AIM Buddy list to contact him and do Screen Sharing.

     

    If you have an @me.com, @mac.com or @icloud.com name then it is also an AIM valid Name and can be entered as an AIM account in Messages Menu > Preferences > Accounts > Press the + icon lower left and chose AIM in the drop down.
    That might mean you have entered it as the iMessages Account and the  AIM account (i.e. Twice)

     

    NOTES

    More on this

    The iMessages Account cannot Video or Audio Chat  (It invokes FaceTime if you press the Video icon)

    You need to be able to at least Video in an AIM (Or Jabber) account to then do Screen Sharing  (it sort of "guarantees" there is enough internet speed)

    The Yahoo option also does not Video so  you an only Screen Share, Audio Only chat or Video chat from and AIM or Jabber login.

     

    Buddy Lists.

    Once you have added an AIM , Jabber or Yahoo ID then the Messages app will add "Buddies (CMD + 1)" to the Window menu

    This will display a Combined List

    If you go to the General Section of the Preferences an untick the line about gathering all Accounts into one list then they will separate.

    I have 10 different Accounts logged in and it looks crazy  (And I took time to label the groups in each Buddy list differently)

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    A Single Buddy list

     

    Single List.png

     

    As you can see the Buddy List has the Screen Sharing icon at the bottom of the List (highlight Buddy)

    Or you can use any of the other methods you were using before.

     

    Summary

    The "iChat Side" in Messages is somewhat Hidden.

    The iMessages account is it's own service and not a "Message All" option.

    You have to both have a Name or ID valid with AIM  or one valid with a Jabber server.

    I feel it is simpler to have Buddy lists on Show  (it's impossible from the Messages/Interface/Chat Window itself without resorting to Menus.

     

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    10:22 PM      Friday; January 25, 2013


    Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"

     

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     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     Couple of iPhones and an iPad

    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

     

     

    P.S.  I have  blue X (Very early OS X) logo T shirt  (the Black has faded though)

    I have a newer Black with small Apple logo on the Front and "Welcome to Discussions" on the back. (I got this a few years ago now from the Apple Discussion Boards as a then Level 4 user (They had Lounge Access before the New software and new Levels and Name Change happened to Apple Support Communities).

     

  • ceetang Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

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    Is this possible or will that always be there?

  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (68,945 points)

    Hi,

     

    It seems that nothing can be done about that box.

    When you have more Accounts logged in the Scroll bar appears as the box does not change size.

     

    It used to be that if you used the "Gather all accounts into one List" in the General Section of the Preferences that this item became smaller and did not list all th Accounts separately.

    This seems to have changed at the Messages 7.0.1 update (in OS X 10.8.2)

     

     

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    7:55 PM      Friday; March 1, 2013


    Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.2)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     Couple of iPhones and an iPad

    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

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