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  • al_b Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Try a fresh new install, probably will solve crashing problem. And prey for an update to solve the issue.

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (26,415 points)

    al_b wrote:

     

    Google search it to find the proof.

    So anything I find via Google search is true?

  • ricardofromloma linda Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)

    duh! everything on the internet is true lol

  • al_b Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    „So anything I find via Google search is true?”


    Watta heck IS wrong with you? Are you underage? An Apple employee? If you cannot offer help don`t annoy.

    This is an already known issue. Many users are saying the same thing.

    Since I upgraded I have 3 hours battery and I fry pancakes on my MBP. Fan is going nuts as I plug it in. Few days ago I had a smooth silent reasonably warm piece of MBP - with Snow Leopard inside. That`s a fact.

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)

    Have you looked at Activity Monitor while the fans are spinning?

     

    What's the name of the process consuming all the %CPU?

     

    (Click the Spotlight icon in the menubar, type 'Activity' and press return. In the Activity Monitor window that pops up, choose 'All Processes' from the drop-down menu on the right, and click the %CPU tab so that the little arrow i is pointing downwards).

  • Franc_Iphone Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    This is a major problem for many people. A big thread on it here; It needs a fix;

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/19015287#19015287

  • al_b Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    No indexing. Time Machine off. Activity Monitor shows normal usage of CPU, nothing dramatic. It`s something with the battery. Draining much faster and overheating (fan struggles to keep things cool when I plug in)... as a matter of fact is overheating even when running on battery

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (26,415 points)

    al_b wrote:

     

    „So anything I find via Google search is true?”


    Watta heck IS wrong with you? Are you underage? An Apple employee?

     

    I'm just a regular old geezer who has never worked for Apple.

     

    If you cannot offer help don`t annoy.

     

    Sorry, this is an official "rant thread". The gloves are off. The Wild West. Anything Goes.

     

    This is an already known issue. Many users are saying the same thing.

    Since I upgraded I have 3 hours battery and I fry pancakes on my MBP. Fan is going nuts as I plug it in. Few days ago I had a smooth silent reasonably warm piece of MBP - with Snow Leopard inside. That`s a fact.

    Here is the problem. You have latched on to this "battery issue" as the cause of your problem. Now, you have convinced yourself that Mountain Lion is the cause, that ALL Mountain Lion users are suffering from this "bug", and that only a "bug fix" will cure it. Over the years, updates will come and updates will go. Your "bug" will never be fixed. Since you have convinced yourself you know the cause, you will refuse anyone's offer to help track down the actual cause.

     

    If you really want to get a solution to your problem, it would be best to start a new thread, describe the problem you are experiencing, and try to meet people halfway who offer to help. As long as you stay in this rant thread, you will get only "me too" responses, annoying resposes, and no solution to your problem.

  • Franc_Iphone Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    etresoft

     

    Etresoft. "You say your an old geezer" and "now the gloves are off"

     

    You have WAY to much time on your hands. What we are all saying is, we have ALL searched GOOGLE, The Apple Forums, the News stories and there are a few common themes;

     

    1. Apple admit there is a problem - they just haven't said yet if this is the new norm

    2. GOing from Snow Leopard to LION has effect many people

    3. Going from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion or from Lion to ML has effected many people

    4. Many people (like you) have not been effected at all - Good for you. Horah.

     

    People like you annoy me because you have very little value to add to a discussion. I bet if YOU actually had the problem, you would be whining like the rest of us to. Since you DON'T even have the problem, I can only come to the conclusion you simply have way too much time on your hands. Bully for you.

     

    BTW - Apple are working on this very real problem !

  • Amanda_ML Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Resetting both of these seemed to make things a little bit better for me, but it still drains faster than it used to even after the reset. 

     

    Hopefully Apple comes out with a fix soon. I have confidence that they'll hear our complaints and make the necessary changes.

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (26,415 points)

     

    Franc_Iphone wrote:

     

    You have WAY to much time on your hands. What we are all saying is, we have ALL searched GOOGLE, The Apple Forums, the News stories and there are a few common themes;

     

    Perhaps you are the one with too much time on your hands

     

    1. Apple admit there is a problem - they just haven't said yet if this is the new norm

     

    Really? Do you have any citation for that?

     

    2. GOing from Snow Leopard to LION has effect many people

    3. Going from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion or from Lion to ML has effected many people

     

    Yes. I know. I was there. It was like when people went from Leopard to Snow Leopard or when they went from Tiger to Leopard, etc.

     

    I bet if YOU actually had the problem, you would be whining like the rest of us to.

     

    No, I would never do that. I would be trying to diagnose the problem. I would use logic like - if 3 million copies of the software are sold, and 24 people report problems, then 2,999,976 people have not reported problems. If I have a problem, the cause is likely my own misconfiguration.

     

    BTW - Apple are working on this very real problem !

     

    Apple is always working on updates. If the 10.8.1 update actually says something about battery life, then installing that update might help. If that update doesn't say anything about battery life, then installing that update will not help at all. In fact, it will probably make your machine perform even worse. Applying an update to a machine that has been running poorly because of some undiagnosed problem is a bad idea. Fix problems, then update.

     

    I only entered this thread once is started to go off then deep end with people with obvious hardware problems blaming Mountain Lion. I just did a quick Google search on this issue and I see many people who have obvious runaway processes from incompatible 3rd party software. This causes the CPU work harder and get hot. That causes the fans to run wild. That drains the battery.

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)

    And can I assume you've actually done both the PRAM and SMC resets as I suggested right at the beginning of this thread as these are symptoms that are typically solved by doing that?

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (26,415 points)

    al_b wrote:

     

    Activity Monitor shows normal usage of CPU, nothing dramatic.

    By default Activity Monitor will hide any of the processes that are likely to be going wild and causing your machine to overheat. Make sure to change "My Processes" to "All Processes".

     

    I strongly encourage you to avoid the "me too" temptation. Start your own thread for this problem.

     

    I wrote a little diagnostic program to help show what might be causing these problems. Download EtreCheck from http://www.etresoft.com/download/EtreCheck.zip, run it, and paste the results in your new thread.

     

    Disclaimer: Although EtreCheck is free, there are other links on my site that could give me some form of compensation, financial or otherwise.

  • Franc_Iphone Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Yes, if you share me your email address I will send you the names of the people I have communication with at Apple.

     

    SO, we are in agreement;

     

    "I just did a quick Google search on this issue and I see many people who have obvious runaway processes from incompatible 3rd party software. This causes the CPU work harder and get hot. That causes the fans to run wild. That drains the battery"..

     

    If this indeed is simply the issue, why is the ONLY indication on the Apple Mac Book that something is "wrong", is fast fan speed, overheating and reduced battery life? Why is it only moving from one O/S to another, that makes this occur? For some and not others? For apparently different programs?


    Apple now have logs from me, without ANY visible programs running (not to say a rouge program isn't running clandestine). AND - this still leads to rapid battery life decrease. This leads me to believe we need other tools or help, other than having to send log dumps to Apple which are obviously hard to diagnose.

     

    I too am an "old geezer". I've been in IT since I was 20 years on so close to 30 years now. I write software, I debug software, I QA software. I got this problem when I got a new machine on LION 1 year ago. Same sypmtons, same temporary "fixes" with repeating symptoms. Apple concluded it was the new GPU making badly written programs run worse under "LION". The problem did not go away. I've just "lived with it". The good news is, there is a new pattern forming (same pattern, different O/S, same symptoms). The things people are doing that miraculasouly "fix it" for a day or 2 or 3.. is good. a Pattern.

     

    I have done the PRAM / SMC fix about 8 times in the last year, give it 2-5 days, it'll come back!

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (26,415 points)

    Franc_Iphone wrote:

     

    Yes, if you share me your email address I will send you the names of the people I have communication with at Apple.

     

    My e-mail address is easily found.

     

    SO, we are in agreement;

     

    No. I don't think so.

     

    If this indeed is simply the issue, why is the ONLY indication on the Apple Mac Book that something is "wrong", is fast fan speed, overheating and reduced battery life? Why is it only moving from one O/S to another, that makes this occur? For some and not others? For apparently different programs?

     

    No one ever said that was the only indication. It is simply the most likely cause of a quickly draining battery. Plus, once these stories "catch" on the internet blogs - as this one has - people begin to attribute all problems to this "bug". Invariably, the blog posts start with a red herring by claiming that the battery is draining without any CPU or fan problems. But all of the "me too" replies include problems with overheating and fan speeds.

     

    When Apple releases a new operating sytem, it may have some fancy new apps, but it also has many changes under the hood. Lion, for example, did not support Rosetta and required a 64-bit processor. Many of the problems from Lion came from PowerPC code or other software that had not been updated in years. The same is happening with Mountain Lion.


    Apple now have logs from me, without ANY visible programs running (not to say a rouge program isn't running clandestine). AND - this still leads to rapid battery life decrease. This leads me to believe we need other tools or help, other than having to send log dumps to Apple which are obviously hard to diagnose.

     

    You could try my little tool that is designed to be easy to diagnose.

     

    Apple concluded it was the new GPU making badly written programs run worse under "LION". The problem did not go away. I've just "lived with it". The good news is, there is a new pattern forming (same pattern, different O/S, same symptoms). The things people are doing that miraculasouly "fix it" for a day or 2 or 3.. is good. a Pattern.

     

    What software is this? Poorly written third party software that causes people to blame Apple for bugs certainly is a recurring pattern.