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MacPcConsultant Level 1 (5 points)

Using SuperDuper, a clone of my new perfected internal platter drive was made to an external USB platter drive.   When I replace the 750 GB internal platter drive with an internal  SSD then clone the external back to the SSD, there will not be a recovery partition.


Have also made a 10.74 bootable recover USB thumb drive and it works fine.



1.  Will the bootable 10.74 recovery thumb drive do everything the internal recovery partition would  have done ?

2.  Other than convenience of not needing the bootable USB thumb drive, what is the advantage of having the recovery partition internally ?

3.  If the internal recovery partition is very useful compared to the USB, how does one transfer the external SuperDuper clone back to the new internal SSD and still have a recovery partition on the SSD ?


Interestingly, made a dmg master of the USB bootable thumb drive saved to the internal drive, then burned it to a DVD, and the DVD is not recognized as existing by the MBP. 


4.  Is there a way to make a bootable DVD which acts like the recovery partition and the recovery thumb drive ?

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.4)
  • Bimmer 7 Series Level 6 (10,275 points)

    superduper doesn't clone the partition when you clone your drive....Carbon copy does....


    1. answer - is however, much better to create a lion installed thumb drive so you don't have to download anything when using a usb thumb drive installer.


    2. when you don't have a usb installer - booting via command + r, you will have the disk utility menu when booting via recovery drive.


    3. you have to use Carbon Copy Cloner to do that.


    4. Click here on steps how to create a bootable lion dvd installer.


    good luck...

  • MacPcConsultant Level 1 (5 points)

    Thank you.  Any way to add Disk Warrior to that Recovery Partition, whether on the internal drive or bootable USB thumb drive ?

  • ds store Level 7 (30,325 points)

    Use Carbon Copy Cloner, it clones the Recovery partiton along with EFI etc.



    Any way to add Disk Warrior to that Recovery Partition, whether on the internal drive or bootable USB thumb drive ?


    Not to the Recovery partition as it's a closed OS so nothing can be installed there.


    However if you have DW installed on external OS X boot drive, cloned with CCC, then your set, just hold option key down and boot from that to use DW.


    Boot USBthumb drives are slow, don't bother.



    If this is for yourself, if you bother to zero erase all new drives once before formatting, and zero erase free space before partitioning a live system or copying a huge amount of data, you can eliminate DW and a lot of other problems from even occurring.


    The concept is directory and just any data on hard drives fail due to bad sectors of magnetic media, if you can map nearly all of these off BEFORE laying your data or formatting the drive, it greatly improves the read speed and data retention of drives. Thus whalla, less problems of any sort.


    I personally haven't needed DW at all in over 20 something years, I can understand if your working on others machines you likely need it.


    Reducing bad sectors effect on hard drives

  • MacPcConsultant Level 1 (5 points)

    Eliminate DW ?   DW has been a lifesaver, especially in low RAM situations.  Often the VIB is off causing the spinning ball and decreased speed.  There's a reason why the Apple "Geniuses" at the retail stores use DW.


    Are you stating that I should use Disk Utility to zero out the SSD before cloning to it from a SuperDuper external back up ?


    Are you stating that I should not bother with the recovery partition internally since the USB thumb drive is an option ?


    For the new poposed internal SSD, would you use Carbon Copy Cloner and thus have the internal recovery partition, or would you use SuperDuper and not have the recovery partition internally ?

  • Bimmer 7 Series Level 6 (10,275 points)

    every user will give you different suggestions on how to do things.....Their way works for them and my way works for me.....


    what you should do is find something that works best for you.....


    while i find superduper a great app when cloning drives - i only use them on macbooks that doesn't have any recovery partition.  works great...


    on 2011 and up macbooks however, I use carbon copy so I can create a recovery partition....


    while it is a good idea to have a USB bootable installer (some won't agree), it's also good to have a recovery partition in the hard drive just in case something goes wrong and your can't find your usb installer.


    the only problem with Carbon copy right now, if you're using the trial version, it's only good for 30 days...

  • MacPcConsultant Level 1 (5 points)

    Thank you.  No problem paying for CCC.   Why and how does CCC copy the recovery partition and SD does not ?    What is different about the recovery partition ?    I imagine the user must create with Disk Utility two partitions of unequal size, then clone each partition.

  • Bimmer 7 Series Level 6 (10,275 points)

    I'm not really sure why CC does it and SD doesn't.....


    When I do a clone, i just format the drive, launch Carbon Copy and if there's a recovery partition built in to the drive, Carbon Copy informs me that I need to create one so I follow the menu in Carbon Copy and create one...

  • MacPcConsultant Level 1 (5 points)

    So CCC has its own partitioning software, or did it ask you to use Apple's DU ?


    Oh, you forgot to answer this one:  "Are you stating that I should use Disk Utility to zero out the SSD before cloning to it from a SuperDuper external back up ?"



  • Bimmer 7 Series Level 6 (10,275 points)

    CCC has it's own partition software (it only pops up if the hard drive you're cloning has a partition)....


    I usually format/erase via Disk Utility then do the clone.....


    Here are the steps I use....


    Format new drive via DU - Clone with CCC - a popup will come up (if you have a partiton) asking you if you want to create the partition via CCC - click to create one then proceed with the clone.


    Once the clone is done - install the new drive in your macbook - turn it on - if boot time is slow - then go to system preference - startup disk - select new drive as the startup disk.


    That's about it...

  • MacPcConsultant Level 1 (5 points)

    Okay.  Good directions, but me to ask for the third time:  "Are you stating that I should use Disk Utility to zero out the SSD before cloning to it from a SuperDuper external back up ?"

  • Bimmer 7 Series Level 6 (10,275 points)

    sorry didn't quite understand the zero out question you're asking....I don't zero out my ssd - you don't need to.....

  • wjosten Level 10 (94,210 points)

    MacPcConsultant wrote:

      "Are you stating that I should use Disk Utility to zero out the SSD


    Not necessary on an SSD & will do more harm than good. Just format, clone, test, install.

  • Bimmer 7 Series Level 6 (10,275 points)

    Thanks for adding your .02 cents wjosten......I never zeroed out any of my ssd that's why I was trying to avoid giving the wrong answer...



  • MacPcConsultant Level 1 (5 points)

    Sorry for the typo.  I was on a mobile device then.


    What is different about an SSD than a platter in that zero-ing out can do more harm than good ?

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