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SSD on old Macbook 3,1

Hello,

I have an old Blackbook Core 2 Duo 2.2 GHZ (3,1) with 4GB of Ram, still with the original 160GB HDD. Running Snow Leopard 10.6.8.

It has definitely slowed down and I am not looking to by a new one it any time soon. So I am considering replacing the old HDD with a new SSD to buy me a little more time. I am obviously not looking for super-performance, just improvement. However, I am not sure what SSD I should purchase.

From what I have read, my Macbook will only work at 1.5Gbps. Most options out there right now are SATA II (3Gbps) and SATA III (6Gbps). Though I know they are both overkill for my current machine, I am wondering if it would be smarter to get the SATA III in order to future proof a little bit. When I finally do upgrade my laptop, I could transfer the SSD to the new machine.

So here are my questions:

1) In the future, would I be able to use the SSD as an external drive, in case I can't put it in the next computer?

2) Would it be smarter to save the money and get a SATA II now and not worry about what I will do with the drive down the line?

3) I am hoping to spend around $100 for ~128GB SSD. What are good SSD options for an older Macbook (Crucial v4/m4, OCZ, OWC, Kingston, Samsung)?

4) I saw a Samsung 830 128GB on sale for $100. Is this over-kill for my set-up? Would it work? I read somewhere they are actually smaller drives. Would they even fit in the older Macbook?

5) What are the key terms/features should I know when making this decision? People talk about the connectors and some causing problems with Macbooks. Others mention firmware updates. I just want to make sure I don't jump on a seemingly good deal and then find out there is a well-known issue.

Thanks in advance for the help. I have done a bunch of reading online but thought these direct questions might give me some clarity.

Hope all is well,

RJ

BlackBook, Mac OS X (10.6.8), 2.2 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo

Posted on Aug 5, 2012 4:52 PM

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Aug 5, 2012 6:15 PM in response to gogogut

An SSD uses serial ATA connection protocol, so you can use one in your MacBook, and in the future if you buy a system with wired memory (no hard drive) you could certainly move it to an external case. Even an SATA II (3 Gbit/s) SSD in an external case would be quite fast, so I wouldn't worry about that.


I wouldn't go for an SATA III (6 Gbit/s), rather, I'd go for an SATA II drive. You'll pay a premium on an SATA III drive, so an SATA II drive should be more affordable.


I just installed an OWC SSD in a mac mini. Originally got an SATA III drive, however, instead of running at SATA II speeds, it ran at SATA 1 speeds. After talking to OWC, they determined the mini needed an SATA II drive to run at SATA II speeds, so they took care of things, paid for return shipping ... net, it worked out well. Confirms the good reputation OWC has .... so I'd recommend you give OWC a look. Their SSDs are built in the USA, which was a side benefit for me. Their 120GB SATA II drive is $127.99, with a 3 year warranty. You could certainly call OWC and talk with them on connectors/firmware needed for your MacBook.


Remember when you're sizing what size SSD you need, to allow 10% or more free space for systems usage.

Aug 6, 2012 8:57 AM in response to BGreg

Thank you for the speedy reply and for clarifying that even the SATA II could go in an external enclosure later and be a useful external drive. Therefore, I know I only need SATA when searching for SSD options. However, the price difference doesn't seem to be that great. For example, OWC's difference between SATA II and III is less than $10. So should I pay for the III for future considerations? Any there are even better deals out there for SATA III drives (i.e., Samsung 830 128GB for under $90-should I jump on this?)

Also, I have read about issues with Sandforce connectors/processors. Is this still a concern with SSD in old Macbooks? Anything I should be looking for in terms of NAND, asynchronous, etc? Again, I want to make sure I answer all the right questions BEFORE putting new hardware in my aging machine.

In general, I am hoping to spend around $100 for a new 128GB SSD. There seem to be lots of deals out there for around $100 (Samsung 830, Crucial m4/v4, Kingston hyperX, OCZ Vertex4, SanDisk Extreme). So how do I choose? OWC would push my price closer to $150 so I am just looking for options.

Thanks again,
RJ

Aug 6, 2012 7:15 PM in response to BGreg

Thanks for the links, but it is almost impossible to find experiences/suggestions for such an old macbook model. Most people make references to newer macbooks or macbook pros with video cards and faster link speed connectors.

My concerns are very specific to the older models, such as my Macbook 3,1 with only 1.5 link speed possible. Just buying by price, SATA III drives are the same, if not cheaper, than SATA II drives. But I need to make sure the drive will actually work with my old macbook. And I am concerned some of these newer drives may not work well. So I would love to hear from anyone who has had experiences or has insight on using newer drives in older mac laptops. If they confirm specific SATA III drives work, then I will go that way. If not, maybe I need to settle for SATA II.

Thanks again,

RJ

Aug 7, 2012 2:41 PM in response to Bimmer 7 Series

I contacted Crucial to ask if their drives would work with my SATA I connector. This was their bad news:

"I am sorry, but we do not recommend to purchase either of our SSD's when using a SATA I Connector. SATA I does not provide any performance increase with read/write speeds while utilizing one of our SSDs. If you were to purchase the M4 SSD you would have the advanced caching ability that the SSD comes equipped with. However, we cannot fully guaranty that the SSD will perform normally while connected with SATA I. We therefore recommend that you either replace your SATA I connectors with SATA II or SATA III if applicable. To determine if your system is capable of doing so please contact your Apple manufacture."


I also spoke with a Samsung rep today and they said that even though the drives should work fine, they do not officially support Macs. I have seen lots of positive posts about the Samsung 830 working in older Macs, I just wish I could get a confirmation from someone who is/was in my particular situation (i.e., updating with a SATA I connector). Anyone out there who can chime in?

Thanks,

RJ

Aug 7, 2012 2:47 PM in response to gogogut

The samsung 830 series does work with Macbooks but i'm not quite sure if it will support SATA I...


I'm not sure who you spoke to at Samsung since the new Macbook Pro Retina comes with a Samsung 830 Series Flash Storage.....All Retina Macbook Pro uses the Samsung 830 series - I own a Retina Macbook...


If you really want to install a SSD in your Macbook - go with a SATA II SSD......That is your only solution...


good luck

Aug 7, 2012 8:10 PM in response to BGreg

Yes, I finally spoke with OWC tonight. They said that the SATA III "should" be fine, but that there are problems every once in a while. They recommended getting the SATA II for my older computer. So other than the Samsung rep telling me that the 830 should work fine, all signs point to me getting a SATA II.

If that is the case, should I get the OWC Electra 3G, or one of the older, cheaper options from the other companies? I see OCZ Vertex 2s and others on Amazon for under $80. That is a $50 savings compared to the OWC!

I have also heard there are issues with Sandforce controllers. The OWC is a Sandforce. Should I worry?

Thanks again,

RJ

Jan 26, 2013 6:35 PM in response to apwbutterworth

Sorry for never updating this post.

I ended up buying a Crucial m4 128GB SSD that I scored for $80. It has been great in my older MacBook. I had some issues when it acted slow or hung when it was full, so I deleted some files and followed some instructions from crucial to leave my computer in a log in stage for a day so that it could clean itself up. After that, everything has been great. I keep it with about 25-30gb free just to avoid any other complications.

I know that I don't benefit from the fastest speeds, but it has been amazing to see the difference. It is hard to imagine what it would be like if I did have SATA III! There is no way I am ever going back to hdd.

Actually, my work just got my the latest MacBook Air with a 256gb ssd and I actually find it to be slower than my old MacBook. Startup times are about the same, but shut down is way faster on the older laptop. Supposedly there is an issues with mountain lion, so I hope an OS update fixes that. There is no reason shutdown should take over 30 seconds on a brand new MacBook Air when it take 7-8 seconds on my old MacBook.

I conclusion, I am happy with my crucial m4. There seems to be a new generation of ssd that would be interesting if I were doing an upgrade now. The Samsung 840 looks great, though I am sure finding a cheap 830 would be a great call. Anyone looking to do this now has a lot of great options and should definitely not spend more than $100 for an excellent 128gb ssd. Though spending an additional $50 for double the space might be worth it. For me, being able to connect external hdd by USB 3.0 to the Air makes up for any space issues. My old laptop is another story, but I have no complaints using USB 2.0 with a 2tb drive at home.

Hope this helps.

RG

SSD on old Macbook 3,1

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