12 Replies Latest reply: Feb 16, 2013 3:16 AM by furrytoes
zak fromtoronto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hello all... I have a FCPX project that I would like to back up.

 

Duplicate project is copying all of the event and all of the original clips...

 

In my case the original clips are 1-2 hour interviews... I use about 2-3 minutes of about 30 of them...

 

Back up is ridiculous...

 

I'm looking for more of a media manager type of back up where it just backs up the clips from the timeline and gives me maybe  a bit of a handle on each clip...

 

Make sense?

 

I hope so... cause I've spent about 3 days trying to get this project on an external drive...

 

Not very successful so far...

 

SOS

 

Thanks!


Final Cut Pro X, Mac OS X (10.6.8)
  • Emilia Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Have no tried this yet but should "Project Duplicate" with option "Used Clips only" do the job?

  • zak fromtoronto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I mentioned that duplicate project is copying all of the original files...

     

    I don't want this...

     

    I just want to copy the "used" part of the files...

     

    Media manager had this feature and I NEED it back!

  • Tom Wolsky Level 10 Level 10 (112,450 points)

    Did you use feedback?

  • Emilia Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Ok, interessting that the "Used Clip only" option still copies unused media. Not very clever indeed.

     

    However this was never relevant in my workflow. i first backup any orgininal media anyway thus for the project itself its just the project file and maybe some render stuff. But its definetly an issue if you want to forward your project to an external person.

  • zak fromtoronto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I only want the used part of the clips...

     

    For example...

     

    I have 30 x 1 hour interviews in my event that I've made a 10 minute piece out of...

     

    I have actually used all of the clips... but only snippits from them...

     

    I would like to back up the the 10 minutes on the timeline (maybe with some handles)... not the 30 hours!

     

    Doesn't seem to be an option like there used to be in the old media manager...

     

    I have a feeling they will address soon...

     

    I actually found some other forums out there where people had the same unsolved issue.

  • Alfredo Jahn Level 3 Level 3 (820 points)

    Is there a way to delete unused sections of clips in the event? I had a 1 hour long clip that I imported. I only needed the last 1 minute. If I select all of the clip in the event (minus the last 1 minute), and right click and "delete", will this work?

     

    For Zak's quesion, didn't FCP 7 have a manage option to backup a project with all the events together, since FCP 7 used a "scratch" disk, and not a separte event like FCPX does?

     

    Thanks

  • Emilia Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    I think you would not delete anything from your media files because FCPX only works with references pointing to start and ends in clips.

    A workaround maybe a project with one clip, cutting and exporting as ProRes file which then can easily be re-imported in a new event. Not very elegant though...

  • zak fromtoronto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Anyone ever figure this out?

     

    Does apple plan on improving there media manager...

     

    I really can't believe you can't back up your timelines with just the used portion of the clips with a handle....

     

    Anyone?

     

    Best,

     

    Zak

  • Tom Wolsky Level 10 Level 10 (112,450 points)

    Nobody hears knows or can say what may or may not do. You could use feedback to make a feature request.

  • furrytoes Level 2 Level 2 (220 points)

    I noticed a new app was released recently to do backup just for FCPX - http://npassociatesllc.com/

    I doubt it can do what you want though - I don't see how it's going to know (at the file system level) what "part" of clips you're using.

     

    Each to their own, but I can certainly believe this feature isn't available. It's absolutely no use to me.

    It would create such a half-useful backup where I'd be limited to "already used" portions - even deciding a transition should be a few frames longer would be off the cards with such a backup?

     

    I would have thought this is a feature from the old days where hard drive space was much more expensive.

  • fox_m Level 5 Level 5 (4,555 points)

    I'm fairly sure Apple assumes most people want to keep their original footage... "forever." Media management in FCPX has received quite a lot of praise from professionals.

     

    Everything comes down to prep and organization.

     

    Projects are just pointers into media clips and render files.  If you want to trim down your projects, go to the File menu and select Delete Project Render Files...

     

    Deleting Event clips will kill a project no matter what. Archiving a project without the associated Event media is pointless. Best advice is to always keep your original media. That way you can reconstruct an Event later for the clips your project requires. As far as I know, there is no way to  delete (to the trash) Event clip ranges.

     

    If you know that you won't be using 90% of your footage and want to delete the extraneous original footage, I would recommend using Quicktime 7 Pro and selecting the ranges you think you'll need beforehand. This is easily accomplished by opening your original clips, setting an In and Out point (just like in FCPX) -- select Copy, then File > New and Paste. Save as a Self-Contained clip and import it into FCPX. QT7Pro does not alter the original footage (as much as possible, I imagine it has to occasionally build an intitial i-frame if your original is something like H.264, but other than that, you can't tell the difference.)

     

    To preserve a project entirely, you will  need to back up the associated Event clips as well. Those are the clips you need to worry about trimming. You should use Copy files to Final Cut Events folder on Import. You should be able to delete any transcoded media (High Quality and/or Proxy) before archiving (don't take my word as an absolute on that -- Tom probably knows for sure.) For simplicity, you should create an Event for JUST the clips you will be using for the project to backed up. That way, at the end, you can group the Event folder and the Project together for archiving (and with the smallest footprint).

     

    You could also simply Export your (trimmed) project as H.264 (FCPX uses the highest quality settings) without titles, effects, generators or transitions to retain the portions of clips you want to save/archive and delete all the original media — and forego everything stated above. You will still have an exceptional quality source for any subsequent projects using the same material and it would be compact enough. I wouldn't archive with ProRes (except maybe Proxy... it's about the same bitrate as the H.264 generated, except I think the H.264 would still be a better choice.) Using ProRes kind of defeats the purpose of archiving.

  • furrytoes Level 2 Level 2 (220 points)

    you should be able to delete any transcoded media (High Quality and/or Proxy

    Yes, I've done that (after first seeking advice).

    Just delete the "High Quality Media" folder (with FCPX closed)