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KoshAlwaysHere Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Mounting Lion seems hostile to Front Row, which would still work under Lion, with some persuasion.

It's all well and good to say it's been discontinued…


  • Why sell Mac Mini with HDMI and discontinue Front Row ? What are Apple customers expected to use?
  • Mounting Lion upgrade process lets Front Row application through.
  • Front Row doesn't even attempt to launch, as if it's being blocked deliberately.


If there a fix or terminal option to get Front Row working again, could someone please let us know. It's not like there's any Apple replacement.

Or any other company for that matter. And no, Plex is hopless, it ignores folder structure, it's useless to me. Put an alias in your Movie's folder and you can see anything you want in Front Row.


Simple, just works, just abandoned.


Off to, now.

  • William Lloyd Level 7 Level 7 (20,940 points)

    Front Row didn't exist in Lion.  It was removed.  So at some point it's going to stop working... perhaps Mountain Lion is the time.  I didn't even know that it worked in Lion (I thought it was removed from my system).


    I think Apple TV + AirPlay Mirroring is probably more the "expected" solution to this problem now.

  • KoshAlwaysHere Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank-you for replying and reinforcing Lion removed Front Row, but Mountain Lion didn't. However…


    I have a media library on my Mac. How is Apple TV or Air Play going to help me play that media on the same Mac? Seriously? That doesn't even make sense. Do we just parrot PR speak, now?


    I see the wikipedia page claims Front Row doesn't use QuickTime X, but I only ran QuickTime X under Lion and Front Row still worked, so it can't be that. At some point, Front Row used QuickLook, don't know if that's still the case, but QuickLook still exisits, and Front Row is a fairly simple skin. Doesn't seem to be much effort to keep it working - compared to deliberately annoying customers.

  • Grafton Reed Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Try Plex. It's free and has a very cool interface. You can catalogue and access all of your media files. Make sure you download the manual or YouTube tutorial, so you can utilize all of it's features.

  • Grafton Reed Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I forgot to add, that you will need to download Remote Buddy so it will work with your Apple Remote Control and Plex, as well as any other app on your computer. I think it's 15 bucks and well worth it . However, if you have an iPhone you can use it as a remote by downloading an app called Rowmote for $1.99. Cheers!

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,400 points)

    don't think I'll waste my breath with this one


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  • KoshAlwaysHere Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks, I'll answer the "try Plex, it's great" suggestion, only once.


    I have installed Plex, but can't wait to remove it. It's too complex and dumb. Front Row is simple and flexible and doesn't require me to run a server or nominate folders separately, just to make it useable. Front Row lets me dig around folders as I create them and is generally clean/simple and all I need.


    When I want Hollywood movie meta data assigned to budgie videos from YouTube, I'll be singing the praises of Plex all over the internet. If that's cataloguing, I can live without it. I have tonnes of files, they're -catalogued- into folders. Until Apple loses the plot completely and scraps the file system, I'm safe from meddling by any number of Apps (which come and go over time).


    The remote seems to work OK with Plex without Buddy, better than iTunes actually. Somebody must have fixed iTunes to stop responding to the remote, as well. Charming.


    Merely deleting Front Row from Lion, apparently wasn't bloody-minded enough, Mountain Lion seems to single out Front Row - gives no error when you launch it, just refuses to let it run. An awful lot of hostility to what appears to be a simple skin for QuickTime.


    How much trouble would it be for Apple to Open Source Front Row and let those that want it, run it?

  • PattieLennoah Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Couldn't agree with you more. I downloaded PLEX and couln't wait to uninstall it. What a pain in the butt that service is. I have all of my movies on an external 2TB hard drive. I could still use Front Row and the Apple Remote to access them and it was seamless. I'm running Mountain Lion on my MacBook Pro, but am still on Snow Leopard on my iMac because I don't want to lose Front Row. I suppose I could drag the movie I want to watch into iTunes and use the "Remote" app on my iPhone, which actually works very well, but I'd rather watch direct from the external hard drive. Apple really needs to address this.....

  • KoshAlwaysHere Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Let Apple know at We need every voice.


    Not that Apple got Front Row working with Lion, just that Mountain Lion seems to go out of its way to prevent Front Row from launching, and that's just mean.

  • PattieLennoah Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I've done that. I just hope they're listening.....

  • wickidchyld Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    lack of front row is one of the reasons i've still got snow leopard as well. plex was meh. boxee works "ok", not great, but better than plex and is apple remote compatible.

  • Canuck1970 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Have you tried XBMC for Mac? I find it works quite well and is very close to Front Row in many key aspects. The main thing I miss about Front Row is the movie trailers. 

  • Mike Thornbury Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    "I have installed Plex, but can't wait to remove it. It's too complex and dumb. "


    I suspect that it isn't able to be both complex and dumb at the same time. It's moderately complex. In that you need to tell it which folders hold your media. Not that hard, surely? Is reading the manual too complex for you?


    It's easy to see where the 'dumb' comes in...

  • Mike Thornbury Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    If you like XBMC, you'll love Plex. Give it a try.


    XBMC was the source for Plex, which has grown into a really great media server as a result.


    I became disenchanted with XBMC - it had too many limitations.

  • Mike Thornbury Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I don't understand why Plex is a PITA for you? All you do is configure plex to point to your external 2TB drive and voila!


    I suspect you are over-thinking, or just not bothered to go through a few simple steps to get your 'service' (actually, an app...) working correctly.


    This is what happens when people believe the hype that Mac's require no learning - they're just intutitive. People with absolutely no desire to learn anything think they are entitled to have everything done for them or they slag off a fantastic app because it is too 'dumb'.


    Make an effort - pick up the manual.

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