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cauchy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

New to Logic and DAW's.

 

I've noticed when using Logic Pro 9 that the software instruments [i.e. loops] sound better then when I record an audio track with my guitar, for example. Is this to be expected?

 

Thanks.


iMac, Mac OS X (10.7.4)
  • vaiman777 Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    When you get better with Logic/DAW's your recordings will be just as good if not better than any loop.

     

    Remember that the loops will be recorded using good mic's etc and also using EQ and compression on the final mix.

    Use the loops to get started learning Logic and something to aim for as in production of your own material.

    There are also lots of good free guitar plugins and IR loaders (for virtual cab) that can make a big difference on your overall sound.

     

    Good luck and enjoy

  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6 (8,525 points)

    cauchy wrote:

     

    New to Logic and DAW's.

     

    I've noticed when using Logic Pro 9 that the software instruments [i.e. loops] sound better then when I record an audio track with my guitar, for example. Is this to be expected?

     

    Thanks.

     

    Yes, because you're just beginning and don't know what you're doing... (yet)

     

    Loops are pre-recorded audio, some mixed by professionals and often recorded with equipment that far surpasses what you have.  To give you an idea, a top level microphone can cost far more than the sum of your computer, software and guitar, (and amp). To make matters worse, if you're using the computers built-in audio you're recording through a $2 audio chip imbedded on an electronically noisy motherboard.

     

    Learning to do something well takes time and patience, study and work... however, you don't have to do something "right" to have fun and be creative but you will need to learn how to use what you have.

  • cauchy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank you for the responses. . .very helpful and very well put.

     

    I am using the built-in plugins within Logic for my guitar "sound" and an M-Audio Fast Track C400 as an audio interface.

     

    I also signed up for Apple's One-to-One training sessions on Logic. . .have my first lesson tonight.

  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6 (8,525 points)

    Great, let us know how it goes with the training sessions. You can do a lot with what you have available but putting it all together takes time and study, sounds like you're on your way.

     

    I'm a guitarist/fretted instrument player and I've never been that fond of guitar amp/fx plugins, maybe I haven't messed with them enough but they never sound quite right to me, I usually record with a small amp or an external virtual (POD type) amp. Sometimes I use my live performance pedal board which has some effects that are older than half the posters on this board. Your mileage may vary, I guess it depends on the sound you're after.

  • cauchy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks. Will let you know how the One-to-One meeting goes!

  • vaiman777 Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    Yeah, hope you enjoy it!

     

    Check out LePou plugins for some of the best sounding (and free) guitar plugins when you get settled.

    He has also released LeCab for the Mac.

     

    Give me a shout if you need any help

  • cauchy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks. Will check out the plugins.

     

    You [or anyone] wouldn't be able to recommend a good MIDI keyboard controller for me to check out, would you -- preferrably 61 keys? I'm looking to spend around 300-400 US dollars. Right now I am using my mouse, unfortunatey. . .quite a drawback.

     

    [I don't know if one can ask this kind of question on these forums]

     

    Thanks!!

  • vaiman777 Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    For that price you should get a decent keyboard, depends if you want pots and faders included.

    I use Maschine for all that so it's no use to me.

     

    Go into your local store and try a few out as they all have their +/- points.

     

    Roland are giving away Z3TA+ 2 with their A-PRO series, check their site for info.

  • cauchy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks! Will do.

  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6 (8,525 points)

    vaiman777 wrote:

     

    Check out LePou plugins for some of the best sounding (and free) guitar plugins when you get settled.

     

    Thanks... Experimenting with the HyBrit head, managed to get a fairly decent lightly overdriven tone that responds well to touch. Using a bit of verb and/or delay and compression is a must.

  • cauchy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The One-to-One meeting went very well! The apple employee I met with was very proficient in Logic. . .as to be expected. He recommended M-audio for MIDI keyboard controllers. I assume this is because this is the brand that Apple sells. No?

  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6 (8,525 points)

    M-Audio has been been owned by Avid, makers of ProTools, Logic's direct competitor. However, it was recently sold to inMusic, the parent company of Akai, Alesis and Numark.

     

    Some people hate m-audio gear some like it.

     

    I have two M-Audio products that have worked flawlessly for me, an older 24/96 Audiophile PCI sound card, been used in a G4 and currently resides in a PC used for beta-testing.

     

    And a keyboard controller I purchased over a year ago after my main Yamaha keyboard failed, it was to get by until I found an 88 key controller (which I did). However, I kept the M-Audio stacked above the main controller because it's easy to play and has worked perfectly from day one. It's an Oxygen 61 (blue model)  real lightweight action, a bank each of dedicated sliders and knobs... also a transport pad. There is also a more expensive Axiom version. It's not the best but has held up surprisingly well.

     

     

    http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Oxygen61.html    $175-230

     

    http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Axiom61New.html   $349 - 450

  • cauchy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'd be interested in getting the Oxygen 61, but, it doesn't have any pads for drum sounds. Do you see this as a problem?

  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6 (8,525 points)

    Personally... no!

     

    I  When I record/use sequenced drums I play them all from the keyboard, generally the keyboard has better response and finer velocity levels, I suppose if you were a drummer and related to beating on something pads might be ok.. but in that case I would've purchased a much nicer pad controller. So, for my 2 cents the pads are a non-issue.

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