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Q: Wrong aspect ratio in browsermode, after import...

Hello there,

here's the dilemma:

after I import raw images in aperture, the preview images (Browser mode) seem to be off (not proportioned correctly). Once I go to  Viewer mode, they "scale" to normal. It takes about half a second. It seems as if something is added to top and bottom of the image, ie. more "info" comes in... the actual aspect ratio (?) doesn't change, but the added info makes it "right". And it actually is added to both "long sides of the image", not top and bottom. By that I mean that if the it is a portrait orientation, it's left and right of the image that changes.

This is not a problem if there were just few images. I could go and move from one image to next in Viewer mode, and wait for that half a sec every in between, but when it's hundreds of images... well, you understand, not fun.

The camera is Sony a-55. And I have tried to import both directly from camera and by using the card reader in iMac. Same problem both.

Thanks for all the help,

Teemu Huttunen

Finland

Aperture 3

Posted on Aug 22, 2012 1:14 AM

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  • by Frank Caggiano,

    Frank Caggiano Frank Caggiano Aug 22, 2012 5:33 PM in response to léonie
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    Aug 22, 2012 5:33 PM in response to léonie

    And by confirming, that working from a different account still does not fix the problem, we can exclude any settings in your user library as the reason for the wrong aspect ratio.

    But he never said he did this. Only that tried a new library in his account. So we still don't know if it is a syste wide problem or confined to his account.

  • by Frank Caggiano,

    Frank Caggiano Frank Caggiano Aug 22, 2012 5:34 PM in response to Temus
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    Aug 22, 2012 5:34 PM in response to Temus

    You didn;t try making a new user account and trying it. At least you don;t mention the results in your post.

  • by Temus,

    Temus Temus Aug 23, 2012 12:52 AM in response to Temus
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    Aug 23, 2012 12:52 AM in response to Temus

    OK,

    lot's have been done.

    First of all: Leonie: midnight sun is gone already and I live in south anyway... besides I'm an old man and need the sleep...

     

    To the dilemma.

    I did create a new library, imported images both jpeg and raw. The behavior was identical to the original library, ie. faulty.

     

    Today I first updated the firmware of the camera and did a test shoot and import. The problem still remained.

     

    Next I reinstalled Aperture (old one to trash, log out and in, reload from App Store). Then I opened the original library and imported raw images and to my sorrow noticed that the problem still remains.

     

    So there I go. Any more ideas?

     

    Thanks,

    Teemu

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Aug 23, 2012 1:15 AM in response to Temus
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    Aug 23, 2012 1:15 AM in response to Temus

    Then I opened the original library and imported raw images and to my sorrow noticed that the problem still remains.

    Sorry to hear that, but it is good to know the result.

     

    There is still Frank's question open, if Aperture also has this problem working from a second user account.

     

    If you do not have a second account, simply create one from the "Users & Groups" system preferences panel  or enable the Guest User account. (to add an user account click the padlock icon to unlock the panel, then click "+" to add an account.)

     

    If you want run Aperture from a second account, you have to quit it in your regular account, before switching between users.

     

    If Aperture should run well from your second account, we will know, that something in your user library is to blame - your presets or preferences, otherwise see my post above.

     

    First of all: Leonie: midnight sun is gone already and I live in south anyway... besides I'm an old man and need the sleep...

    I've just been kidding, sorry-  but I enjoyed the long summer nights when I have been to Helsinki for a conference. And trying to get some sleep is the best one can do when being confronted by a tricky debugging problem.

  • by Temus,

    Temus Temus Aug 23, 2012 1:57 AM in response to léonie
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    Aug 23, 2012 1:57 AM in response to léonie

    Ok, now I get it. User account. Sorry all for that, I'm fairly new to mac and don't get all the stuff...

    Created a new user, tried all the above mentioned import raw and again, the problem is still there. Sorry to say.

    I did make a short clip of the view of what happens. Remaind you, it's very short and poor quality, but it shows the problem. It's after import, in browser mode, then I double click the image in far right to get it to go viewer mode and when it does you can see the scale-effect in about half a sec.

    Thanks again,

    Teemu

    Here is the link:

    http://www.bytemus.com/resources/Aperture-problem-short---Wi-Fi.m4v

  • by léonie,Solvedanswer

    léonie léonie Aug 23, 2012 3:00 AM in response to Temus
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    Aug 23, 2012 3:00 AM in response to Temus

    So your experiment with the second user account confirms that not the presets and preferences in your user account are to blame, and neither your Aperture library. Or did you change any of the default settings and copy the Aperture library to your new account?

     

    I cannot tell from your video exactly what the problem is. If I get you right, you are mostly worried about the time needed to render the image in the viewer with the correct aspect ratio when you are browsing and switching between images.

     

    What are your Import settings in the Import preferences panel?

    prev.png

    Are you using Camera previews or Standard previews? It could be, that the Camera previews in the raw are having the wrong aspect ratio.

     

    I'll be away from my mac for the rest of the day, but I hope, Frank and and Kirby will return to this thread, when it is daytime in the states.

    Regards

    Léonie

  • by Temus,

    Temus Temus Aug 23, 2012 5:25 AM in response to léonie
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    Aug 23, 2012 5:25 AM in response to léonie

    OK, there it is. That did it. I changed the setting in post-import from camera previews to standard preview and now there is no scaling.

    What's the down side of this change? Or are there any?

    Thank you all for patience and time you put into my problem, more than anything this episode gave me a great lesson on solving problems...!!!

    Once more, thank you all,

    Teemu

  • by Kirby Krieger,

    Kirby Krieger Kirby Krieger Aug 23, 2012 5:55 AM in response to Temus
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    Aug 23, 2012 5:55 AM in response to Temus

    Teemu -- There is no downside of note.  I never use camera previews.  They allow the user to see the camera preview first, which is a tiny bit faster when importing than waiting for the Aperture-generated Previews.  Imho, they are a no-longer-needed hold-over from when slower processing would mean a delay of minutes when importing.

     

    Your problem, though relatively minor and now resolved, still should not happen.  Did you make sure you have the most recent camera firmware?  If you do, you might file a bug report with Apple, via "Aperture➞Provide Aperture Feedback".

  • by Temus,

    Temus Temus Aug 23, 2012 6:06 AM in response to Kirby Krieger
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    Aug 23, 2012 6:06 AM in response to Kirby Krieger

    Hey Kirby and thanks to you too, great info,

    and yes, I did update the firmware. It was old 'till this morning. Nothing changed however after the update.

    I'll file the bug report.

    Teemu

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