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How do I install the NVIDIA 4000 card?

I am putting in the Nvidia Quadro 4000 graphics card in my early 2008 Mac Pro 3,1. I installed my RAM as well as my hard drives but I must admit this is something I have not done before to this extent. Do I need to be grounded? And does someone know of a video that I could use to guide me through this. I just don't really have the budget to hire somebody to do it at this point in time. The graphics card itself and wiped me out… Wasn't planning on the other one to fail.

Thanks for all of your help, everyone on this form is so genuinely helpful, respectful and considerate and I really appreciate it!

Cheers!

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8), editing in Final Cut Pro 7

Posted on Aug 22, 2012 8:17 PM

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Aug 23, 2012 9:19 AM in response to ClemKins

You are still running 10.6.8? that puts a slight limit on what you can use and how you install the 4000 and drivers. Lion has built in support so you can do a native Lion boot, not true with 10.6.x


Did you list what you are using for GPU now? realize it "does not cut it" but...


For CUDA that is over priced, just some driver tweaks while a GTX 570 for less than $400 and use your current card for display and such and Nvidia for CUDA.


The following is about CS6 but that is what I have on CUDA rather than FC so take it wtih that grain of salt:


After Effects CS6 (11.0.1) update: bug fixes and added GPU and 3D renderer support

http://blogs.adobe.com/toddkopriva/2012/05/after-effects-cs6-11-0-1-update-bug-f ixes-and-added-gpu-and-3d-renderer-support.html

the download page for Windows or Mac OS


System Requirements for CS6 OpenGL and CUDA

http://www.video2brain.com/en/lessons/system-requirements-for-gpu-acceleration-o pengl-cuda

The Nvidia GeForce GTX 680 (a new Kepler-class GPU) can now be used for GPU acceleration of the ray-traced 3D renderer on Windows.

See this page for details of GPU features in After Effects CS6.

GPU (CUDA, OpenGL) features in After Effects CS6

http://blogs.adobe.com/toddkopriva/2012/05/gpu-cuda-opengl-features-in-after-eff ects-cs6.html


You can update the CUDA driver via the CUDA panel in System Preferences or by going to the NVIDIA web site.

(Windows) Install the latest WHQL-certified driver for your GPU.
(Mac) Install the NVIDIA CUDA driver (v4.0.50 or later).


OpenGL swap buffer

The OpenGL swap buffer feature relates to the drawing of pixels to the screen, which can be a performance bottleneck, especially with large monitors. Using the OpenGL swap buffer feature to accelerate the drawing of pixels to the screen makes working with After Effects much faster and smoother.

This level of GPU acceleration simply requires OpenGL 1.5 or higher with Shader Model 3.0 or higher. Most ATI and NVIDIA cards meet these requirements, as do the Intel HD Graphics 3000 and Intel HD Graphics 4000 chipsets. If your GPU does not support these requirements, After Effects CS6 will use the CPU as it did in After Effects CS5.5, although there are some improvements for the CPU version of this feature in After Effects CS6, too.

For complete details of what’s new and changed in After Effects, and how to get it, see this page

Aug 23, 2012 9:24 AM in response to The hatter

Sorry for the font and style, the forum is really a challenge to format text sometimes.



Juice Mac Pro Photoshop w/ video card:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1365904


Fastest GPU Mac Pro with EFI Support (the GTX 570 discussion)

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1360927

- jump to the end of the thread first, then go backwards


Barefeats: Photoshop CS6 Graphics CUDA OpenCL

http://www.barefeats.com/aecs6.html



Every Mac with an NVIDIA GPU blew away the Mac Pro with AMD GPU. That's because the ray-traced 3D render option requires CUDA support.

Our 6-core Mac Pro with Quadro 4000 was at least 10 times faster than the same Mac Pro with the Radeon HD 5870. I say "at least" because the times in the graph are an optimistic guesstimate.


The CPU was loafing along while the NVIDIA CUDA "aware" GPU was doing all the heavy lifting. This is due to the fact that the ray-traced 3D animation was made of solids with no external media or textures.


Conversely, the CPU of the Mac Pro with the AMD GPU was running at full tilt (1200%) while the RadeonHD 5870 was "taking a coffee break" -- since it does not have CUDA support (proprietary to NVIDIA).


The more cores you have, the faster your CPU intensive After Effects CS6 project will render -- especially if you optimize the multiprocessing settings in Preferences. However, the Mac Pro with 8-cores is not twice as fast as the MacBook Pro or iMac with 4-cores. Nor is the 12-core Mac Pro three times faster. The more memory, the better.


There are those who pay extra to have GTX 570 flashed PC card to boost CS6 wtih CUDA.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1366650

GPU acceleration in After Effects CS6: Which Mac does it better?

http://www.barefeats.com/aecs6.html

GTX 670 is going to be well valued video card


http://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/27582/point-of-view-heeft-geforce-gtx-670-gereed


GTX 570 2.5GB with its 2.5GB VRAM. $349.

http://www.evga.com/products/


To get a boot screen means modifying the card which means sending it to Calif and $100 + shipping.

Some people use the GTX purely for CUDA and still use ATI 5770 for their monitor.

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Amazon Q4K

http://www.amazon.com/PNY-DisplayPort-Profesional-Graphics-VCQ4000MAC-PB/dp/B004 CRS78O


Comparing 5770 to Q4K:

http://www.jigsaw3d.com/articles/gpu-performance-review-nvidia-quadro-4000-for-m ac


Quadro CUDA driver support


Graphic Cards OS X

http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,2037.0.html


« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2012, 01:57:45 PM »

Nvidia Update - GTX680 and DP2/DP3 10.7.3/10.7.4

I've tried a Zotac GTX670 (2GB) on a 8-core MP 4,1. Boots fine into Lion 10.7.4 using the MBP ATI/NVidia driver posted elsewhere.


Adobe Speedgrade LOVES it. Realtime playback of r3d files with multiple layers of CC, masks, etc.


Premiere will _NOT_ playback video. Crashes+burns *everytime* with hardware MPE enabled. Doesn't matter what the source footage is (h.264, .r3d, ProRes). Turn off hardware MPE and Premiere is fine again, but obviously that defeats the purpose. Premiere crashing doesn't seem to affect system stability.


I would guess it's an issue with CUDA - Speedgrade uses OpenGL, not CUDA. Would love to hear success stories on this one. Will test AE, since Adobe did a patch for that for Kepler support. But, AE might be using OpenGL as well, not sure.


UPDATE #1: AE does NOT recognize the card as a CUDA enabled option. Greyed out, CPU acceleration only. This is in contrast to Premiere which allows the use of the card for acceleration, but crashes.


UPDATE #2: Did fresh install, applied .5 Delta update and installed the Kepler Driver Package. Premiere no longer crashes. AE is happy (after adding "GK104" to the raytracer_supported_cards.txt in the AE.app directory. So now I can get down to testing. I will be testing the Zotac against an Asus GTX560 DirectCU Overclocked and Asus GTX570 DirectCU. The Zotac has 2GB VRAM, the Asus' have 1GB each.

http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,2037.msg13469.html#msg13469


GTX 570 Mac Pro, CS6 benefits and more:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1366650

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1269257

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1365904

http://myworld.ebay.com/macvidcards/


GTX 670:

http://netkas.org/

http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,2037.0.html

http://forum.netkas.org/

http://forum.netkas.org/index.php?&board=6.0

Aug 23, 2012 9:37 AM in response to The hatter

Thank you Hatter. My plan of attack includes moving up to Lion with this change, and I'm going to be learning the Adobe suite as well. When new iMacs come out I'll put FC X on the 27"...

I was able to get the 4000 card at a discount from the company EPP, so I have it in hand. Snow leopard was stable until I started having graphics probs. Tested RAM and it's fine. Diagnotics good on everything else.

Specs are : Quad Core Xeon, 3.2 Ghz, 10 GB of RAM (2 risers empty), 1.6 GHz bus speed, two processors, eight cores, nvidia GeForce 8800 GT with a miserable 512 MB of VRAM, and using two 30 inch Vizio display monitors. Thoughts?

Thank you!

Aug 23, 2012 9:58 AM in response to ClemKins

Helps to start a thread with the basic hardware configuration for us.

And I wasn't sure you had the Quadro or not which makes a difference in how I would have responded too.


Early 2008 MacPro3,1

8800GT could be on its last leg can also be baked to cure.

The 3.2 8-core was BTO and max - it should do well (I would not go with an iMac for what you do though Thunderboltl storage helps they are closed, small, run hot, and just not a workstation. I would wait a year for whatever the "6,1" will be.

FBDIMMs cost and need to be kept cooler to below 70*C

Use Hardware Monitor for best and more accurate readings

Use SmcFanControl 2.3+ to change default fan speed to 850 rpms instead of 499/599.


Waiting on new models is always fun. Wait for 3-4 months for updates, firmware,, try to avoid the early batch, and wait for OS and apps to have 4 months or more too. My brother is waiting to buy iMac but may not happen.

The 3,1's had a couple things at first to deal with : the ATI 2600XT, SMC and EFI firmware updates. And now I see someone weekly with one having some kind of failure to boot syndrome.


The 2010 4-core $1899 is nice, throw in cheaper RAM and still use the Q4K, and W3680 $600 6-core/3.33GHz


TWO DIMM SLOTS empty you mean. The ideal RAM configuration is fill all 8 DIMMs gives 17% memory bandwidth improvement. Amazon has high quality less expensive 667MHz that I use $54 2x2GB.


People are still waiting for better graphic drivers in Lion which could happen.

Aug 23, 2012 11:01 AM in response to The hatter

Excellent thoughts, thank you. I had contemplated the new Mac Pro but I have to admit I was pretty disappointed with it's build. Seems Apple is going away from pros and catering more to consumers. I've hesitated to complete the RAM since Final Cut and Adobe don't even use all the RAM I've got. I do have the Mac on ice with some nice chilly fans and monitoring. Please tell me more about baking the 8800… I know just enough to be dangerous :-)

thank you so much!!

C

Aug 23, 2012 1:36 PM in response to ClemKins

Google how to bake

CS5/6 love 24GB RAM

Also likes if you boot 64-bit kernel

Intel and LGA 201 boards, firmware may simply fallen too far behind schedule and not ready in past new processors came out in the month following Intel Dev Conf and ready be March, not this time. And Nvidia with new GTX 660 or something, with 670 higher end maybe.


And new OS. Not ideal. Too many things and all new, and now or by late 2013 a new advancement in Intel tic-toc


For $1869 that is a nice 2nd, and get $1300 for yours later easy enough, no? Then you are set to wait another 24-30 months. And it runs 10.6.8 or Lion, and not a 10.8 only. Yes?

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