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Messages Crashes During Screen Sharing

Everytime my friend tries to share her screen with me via messages the connection opens up and then crashs after about 20 seconds. This feature worked before when both ends were using iChat. Now I am on ML using messages and the other end is running Snow Lepard with iChat. Has anyone else had this problem?


The error sent to apple states no traffic was recived for 10 seconds. There was another post on something similar to this with a fix that reduces the bandwith to 500k in preferences. I limited the bandwith to 500kbps at both ends but I still crash. Any ideas?

13" Powerbook, Mac OS X (10.6.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2012 7:06 PM

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Aug 26, 2012 1:57 PM in response to Maggoteye

Hi,


You are having a Chat failure not a Crash (As you can continue to use the app)


You should also be getting a Pop up that says Send to Apple

This will have a reveal triangle next to the word "Details"


Inside is the Log.

The Logs used to be available via Console in ~/Library/Logs/iChatConnectionErrors by date and time (the last bit is all one word.)

Now they appear in both the general "Diagnostic Reports" section under Messages and in ~/Library/Logs/Diagnostic Reports (which are for the user).


It is unusual to get the 10 Sec Error message with a Screen Share (It uses less data than a Video Chat)

The most common cause is "Protection Features" in router that effect a Video chat due to the amount of Data sent.

iChat/Messages over modern connections can send more data that a Video Streaming site and the Protection features tend to be threshold based.


The 10 Second error refers to breaks in the connection that iChat/Messages did not cause.

You can recreate in in a Video chat by pulling out the Ethernet cable or turning Off the WiFi Card.


Web Browsing and Mail "Collection" will be unaffected by breaks in the WiFi connection.

Check that this is not happening.

The Buddy should also check their end.

If you are Wifi then try changing to Ethernet if this is particle (do not use both at once - turn the wifi Card off)


If this "Solves" it look for interference that may effect the router

If you can change the Channel the router uses as others nearby using the same channel may be the issue.





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9:57 PM Sunday; August 26, 2012

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Aug 28, 2012 5:02 AM in response to Maggoteye

Ok guys I give it at try .... to explain what happens on my side.


I have (had) the exact same problem as described by Maggoteye. I was able to share and ask to share the screens between me and my father on remote location under Snow Leopard ⚠, It did not work anymore under Lion after installing Messages Beta at that time (no matter what I tried on both ends). I could not even get a screen for 20 sec's like you describe. But it worked well between me and my dear remote other friend in Lion and with Messages Beta, meaning the same setup as between me and my father (strange yes). I finally left it at that although I really wanted to connect to my father in order to support him using his mac.


Now in the meantime I migrated both (my Mac Pro and my fathers iMac) to Mountain Lion. Checked both settings again and tried to connect and share his or my screen. Same problem like mentionned in this thread. I lost the connection after about 20 secs with the message that 'no traffic was received for 10 seconds'.


So what did I do next? I started my gf's brand new MacBook Pro Retina and tried to share the screens over my local lan. And guess what? It happened the same as with my remote father. After 20 sec's I lost the connection with the no traffic received for 10 seconds message.


But I didn't give up ..... I reconfigured the Messages Account on both ends (with special focus on AIM setup as screen sharing in Mountain Lion with Messages works only over a AIM connection as we all know) and I also tried with System Preferences > Sharing > Screen Sharing on or off. On both sides the same meaning no success when using Messages/AIM. But wait, there was another thing to try ..... with screen sharing on in System Preferences on our two LAN Mac's I could easily and without problem share both our screens over the finder sidebar by choosing the localy shared Mac's. All worked well as designed. So why shouldn't it work under Messages/AIM? No idea?


But ... on my Mac Pro (late 2008) I have an old iSight camera physically connected by firewire and 'turned off'. Yes it's turned off and that's why my Messages/AIM screen sharing with my buddies does not work. If I turn my iSight cam 'on' I can share and ask to share whatever screen locally or remote and for how long I want.


Now I give you a break. I don't have the slightest clue why this is as it is. What does my iSight cam have to do with screen sharing. No idea.


If I pysically disconnect my iSight everything works well (and who knows maybe it would even have worked under Lion before), but if it is attached and not turned on, then screen sharing doesn't work at all and I get those 10 seconds no traffic messages and the connection is lost.


If this helps to you, I don't know. I just say 'good luck'

Aug 28, 2012 5:59 AM in response to Andy Epprecht

And if you want some further explanation, I think it is like that...


Mac OS X knows about attached devices even if they are not turn on like my iSight in most of the time. Now screen sharing from Messages/AIM would like to add some audio chat support to your screen sharing session and OS X tells Messages/AIM wait there is a microphone (built-in in my iSight) attached so why not use it. Ok, but after establishing the screen sharing session for 10 seconds it realizes that there is no audio transmitted (because there is no mic working atm) and terminates the session.


So make sure that if you physically have whatever external microphone or iSight connected to your Mac that it is working when you start the screen sharing session or else unplug it before.


(I used to have video chats (over Facetime) with my remote buddy in the case when I started to share a screen. That's why it worked with him, but I never used Facetime with my father and my iSight was turned off but connected.)

Aug 29, 2012 1:03 PM in response to Andy Epprecht

Hi Andy,


iChat and Messages should and will Screen Share between Jabber to Jabber as well as AIM to AIM Logins

Screen Sharing will only work between iChat Users.


Can you Video to the Buddy involved and then "Convert" the Chat into a Screen Share ?

When Screen Sharing was first introduced this often worked as a sort of "First Share" for many people.



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Feb 14, 2014 12:11 PM in response to Ralph-Johns-UK

Hello:


I am having an issue with screen sharing crashing everytime I try to use it. It has worked in the past on my machine yert lately it does not allow me to fulluy connect. I tested screen sharing with the same end user on another machine in our office over the same circuit that is shared in our office to make sure it was not a bandwidth issue. I was able to screen share and video chat from the other machine. Here is the crash report:


Date/Time: 2014-02-14 11:20:41 -0800

OS Version: 10.9.1 (Build 13B42)

Report Version: 4



Messages Connection Log:

2014-02-14 11:20:11 -0800: 0x6000003934c0: State change from Waiting to Connecting.

2014-02-14 11:20:27 -0800: 0x6000003934c0: State change from Connecting to Connected.

2014-02-14 11:20:38 -0800: 0x6000003934c0: State change from Connected to Ended.

2014-02-14 11:20:38 -0800: 0x6000003934c0: Error 1005 (No data has been received for the last 10 seconds.)



Video Conference Error Report:

16.204162 @/SourceCache/VideoConference/VideoConference-469/VCU/streamer/RTPTransport.c:2 633 type=4 (80010017/1)

[Bandwidth Detection]

[Timeout after a retry - received no packet]





Video Conference Support Report:

0.000000 @/SourceCache/VideoConference/VideoConference-469/SIP/Transport.c:2144 type=1 (00000000/0)

[SIP/2.0 200 OK

Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 107.3.170.82:52058;branch=z9hG4bK3da779685cf97618

To: 0 <sip:user@10.0.1.59:16402>;tag=1500133368

From: u0 <sip:user@10.0.1.2:16402>;tag=1063798926

Call-ID: 1e395ad060a66de-95ad-11e3-8539-99a4caf34012@10-0-1-2

CSeq: 1 INVITE

Contact: <sip:user@99.132.159.39:48239>

User-Agent: Viceroy 1.4

Content-Type: application/sdp

Content-Length: 229



v=0

o=paul 0 0 IN IP4 99.132.159.39

s=1016

c=IN IP4 99.132.159.39

b=AS:2147483647

t=0 0

a=hwi:1028:2:2900

a=bandwidthDetection:YES

m=audio 48239 RTP/AVP 110

a=rtcp:48239

a=rtpmap:110 X-AAC_LD/22050

a=rtpID:2119899529

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0.056491 @/SourceCache/VideoConference/VideoConference-469/SIP/Transport.c:343 type=2 (00000000/0)

[ACK sip:user@10.0.1.59:16402 SIP/2.0

Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 107.3.170.82:52058;branch=z9hG4bK18c2b5ec3dba8799

Max-Forwards: 70

To: 0 <sip:user@10.0.1.59:16402>;tag=1500133368

From: u0 <sip:user@10.0.1.2:16402>;tag=1063798926

Call-ID: 1e395ad060a66de-95ad-11e3-8539-99a4caf34012@10-0-1-2

CSeq: 1 ACK

User-Agent: Viceroy 1.4

Content-Length: 0

]


0.061722 @:0 type=1 (00000000/0)

[Bandwidth Detection]

[Received the first BWD packet from 107.3.170.82:52058]

0.391083 @:0 type=1 (00000000/0)

[Bandwidth Detection]

[Avg=96244.90, NSDev=2.61%]





Video Conference User Report:

16.204340 @:0 type=5 (00000000/60)

[Detected bandwidth (kbits/s): 94 up, 94 down. (00000000)

]


16.238325 @/SourceCache/VideoConference/VideoConference-469/Video Conference/VideoConferenceMultiController.m:2447 type=5 (00000000/0)

[Start Conference With UserID: 1016]






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Feb 14, 2014 12:57 PM in response to Sky King

Hi,


The bits after the line "Binary Images" are not needed.


The error is the 10 Second issue.

This could be because the VNC part for the "video" or picture bit is not able to connect properly.

This error more commonly appears when the connection is made but then failed (pulling an Ethernet Cord will achieve the same thing or stopping WiFi).

However this looks like it happens almost immediately, before you "see" anything.


Can you Video to this person ?
Can you Audio Only connect to them ?

The Screen Sharing needs the same Bandwidth (internet Connection Speed) as a Video Chat.

It comprises of th VNC part an Audio Chat along side.

If you can Video you will not need to do the Audio Only test unless you cannot hear anything.

In some cases the Connection will be dropped if so Audio is sent (this used to be a problem with Paused Video and no speech).


Also check that your router is using UPnP

You cannot use Screen Sharing without this as it uses a Random port for the VNC part.





User uploaded file

8:57 pm Friday; February 14, 2014


 iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mavericks 10.9)
 G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
 MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
 Mac OS X (10.6.8),
 Couple of iPhones and an iPad

Feb 18, 2014 2:23 PM in response to Ralph-Johns-UK

Hello Ralph:


I was having another issue with my Thuderbolt Display not waking up after my system slept and so I talked with a MacGenius at the sDel Monte and he suggested I reinstall OS X ands see if that cleared up these issues I was having. I re-installed last night and the screeen sharing issue has gone away as well as I came in this morning and my machine woke up by just touching the esc button.

I am hoping that this will clear up a lot of little issues I have been having ever since upgrading to Mavericks.


Thank you for your support.


Paul

Jul 9, 2014 7:08 AM in response to Andy Epprecht

But ... on my Mac Pro (late 2008) I have an old iSight camera physically connected by firewire and 'turned off'. Yes it's turned off and that's why my Messages/AIM screen sharing with my buddies does not work. If I turn my iSight cam 'on' I can share and ask to share whatever screen locally or remote and for how long I want.


Now I give you a break. I don't have the slightest clue why this is as it is. What does my iSight cam have to do with screen sharing. No idea.


If I pysically disconnect my iSight everything works well (and who knows maybe it would even have worked under Lion before), but if it is attached and not turned on, then screen sharing doesn't work at all and I get those 10 seconds no traffic messages and the connection is lost.


I have an Early 2008 MacPro when I started having the same problems with screen sharing bombing out within seconds after connecting -- usually as soon as I try to do something on my dad's computer. Both my father and I have Mavericks running, so we are up to date. Tried to share his screen through Messages. It used to work but recently started bombing. I tried everything, then I just unplugged the iSight camera which is an external old one. Then it worked. this post correctly identified some sort of issue. I didn't try it with the camera on, I just unplugged it from the computer completely. Now screen sharing works. Not sure why, but I'm happy to have solved the problem. Thanks Andy for sharing your experience. It really helped when even I those at the Apple Store couldn't figure it out. This is an odd configuration with the older Mac and the external iSight Camera and Mavericks. So it's probably not a very widespread issue. But I think you nailed it. Thank you.

Jul 9, 2014 11:59 AM in response to scotomatic

Hi,


With an External iSight plugged on and "On" what version firmware shows in the System Information (Apple Menu whilst holding the ALT key > top item)

For some time now it should be at version 1.0.3


The updates came prior to OS X 10.5.x

The iSight Updater will only run in PPC able machines in a version of the OS that can run PPC apps.

It is found in Hard Drive Name/System/Library/CoreServices.


Having the iSight "Off" blocks the ability to Video.

This is turn blocks the ability to Screen Share. A Screen Share is in fact a VNC connection with an Audio Chat along side. (Audio and Video chats use the same ports and connection process

If there is not enough internet speed for a Video chat you don't have enough Internet Speed for a Screen Share.


The same would be true on any Mac with an external camera attached and set as the chosen device. (if the camera can be turned Off)

Those with Internal Cameras could reselect the internal Camera to enable that and re-enable Screen Sharing.





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