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New High Capacity iPod Classics?

This is more a question for Apple than the Community, but it's possible someone in the Community may have an answer.


I would like to know if Apple are likely to release a higher capacity iPod than the 160Gb Classic?


Perhaps the obvious question is: why? Well, here goes:-


For maximum musical fidelity, I encode all my CDs using Apple Lossless, which means the resultant files are substantially bigger than MP3, so I manage to fit fewer on each iPod I own. I use Classics in locations where I would like to have music and in particular would like to have a really extensive selection, such as my car. The Classic is perfect for this: it fits in the glovebox, it's secure, and it holds quite a lot of music.


Challenge is, my music collection grows all the time - I may add anything from 2-4 albums per month - say 3 on average. That's 36 per calendar year. So, once my iPod is full, each time I want to add new purchases, "older" content has to make way.


On the one hand, it must seem a bit odd to be asking for this, and I dare say that Apple may be wondering whether or not there is market demand for a high-capacity Classic. But why else would you buy a Classic if not for capacity? I have heard - I don't know for sure so would be interested in Community views - that manufacture of the 160Gb HDD of the current Classic has actually stopped, and that Apple are currently building Classics using pre-existing HDD stock...


I checked a UK component supplier (Overclockers) and this week they are offering 500Gb Toshiba for £45 including VaT... Amazon are about the same... The current Classic is £200, including the price of the HDD. I would gladly pay £250 for a 500Gb Apple-made iPod - it would be the absolutely perfect way to get all the music I want in my car, in a boat, a caravan, when away on holiday, etc, etc.


If you are reading this and would be interested in such a device, perhaps you'd be kind enough to chip in a reply - if there are sufficient responses, perhaps Apple might be willing to step up...


It's not like they can't afford the R&D, is it?


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Posted on Aug 26, 2012 2:50 PM

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Dec 19, 2012 9:58 AM in response to ytene

Apple do not routinely read the posts in this forum. If you wish to suggest to them that they produce a higher capacity iPod, do so at http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html.


In the meantime, consider the following:

  1. If you use a very high bit rate for your music, you may simply be using space unnecessarily - can you hear the difference between these bit rates, especially in the car? I use 128 and 256Kbps in the car. At home, it's the same songs, but I use good quality headphones and docks to maximise sound quality.
  2. If you don't have enough room on your iPod, how about using Smart Playlists and Syncing just those Playlists to the iPod. (see next paragraph)


Suppose you have more music than can fit on the iPod. Instead of Syncing all music to the iPod, use Sync selected Playlists, an option available on the Device/Summary pane when the iPod is connected to iTunes. You would set up some Smart Playlists to include songs according to rules you set. Those rules would remove a song from the Playlist once it has been played and not put it back for the time you specify. Look at a Smart Playlist, that I have named ~ Radio Ultima ~, and that I use - a lot:

User uploaded file

All the Playlists in this one are other Smart Playlists. The first one of those, (My top rated, no play 7 months) is set to include 4 & 5 star rated songs - only if they haven't been played for seven months. The third one, (2 stars, not played 13 months) has only my 2 star rated songs - that haven't been played for thirteen months. I have a lot of songs I've never played, so the last one in that list includes songs I've never played, but limits the list to just 80 songs, even though there are many more. Once any of them have been played, they are automatically removed from the "not played" Playlist and therefore removed also from the ~ Radio Ultima ~ Playlist as well.


I'm preparing for the time that I cannot load all my music onto my 160GB Classic. When that time comes, I could Sync only my ~ Radio Ultima ~ Playlist and nothing else. (I won't, I'll set up some others in a similar way.) Every time I Sync the iPod to iTunes, all the Smart Playlists would be refreshed by changing the list (lists 1, 3 & 4), or by adding replacements for the played songs (lists 2 & 5), keeping the ~ Radio Ultima ~ Playlist fresh. For example, songs that have waited out their time since the last play would come back into lists 1, 3 & 4, while songs that have been played are removed. Additionaly, sonngs in the "Not Played" list that have now been played, would come out and be replaced by more unplayed songs to make the list 80 songs again.


So songs that are not in the "Sync only selected Playlists" are not on my iPod, but sit in the iTunes Library until they are included. In theory, all I will have to do is tweak the rules every now and again. For example, if ever I play every single song on my iPod, (somehow, I think this won't happen), then I simply revise the "never played" rule to "played 1 time". I'm setting these playlists up to maximise the number of songs, without going over the capacity of the iPod.


And - if I hear a "never played" song that I like enough to rate as a 4 star song, then it automatically gets added to the 4 star rated list of songs (in my iTunes Library) at the next Sync. Then, automatically, once 7 months has passed since I last played it, it gets put into the "My top rated, not played 7 months" Playlist and the ~ Radio Ultima ~ Playlist. And therefore onto my iPod at the next Sync.


If the idea appeals to you, but you need assistance in setting up Playlists, ask.

Dec 20, 2012 2:37 PM in response to the fiend

Fiend,


I really appreciate you taking the time to put together a very thoughtful response. Sadly, I don't think your suggestions are going to help me much, not because they are invalid, just because I'm self-limited by other constraints :


1. I am using Apple Lossless and a high bit-rate for all my music. My primary playback mechanism [and the hi-fi purists will gasp in horror] is to push a digital signal from my Mac Mini into a specialist DAC that then feeds an amp and speaker setup that took me the wrong side of £10k to put together... I'll concede that purists will argue that there are better formats and playback mechanisms than AAC and iTunes, but please see below...


2. I split my listening [in roughly equal measure] between 4 locations: my main living room where I have the above setup configured; my study, where I have a high quality set of speakers and a top-end sound card built into a custom-made PC; my car, where I have a custom Pioneer system that takes an iPod Classic as source material, and on the move/in the office, when I use another iPod [Classic or Touch]. Using the Apple Lossless solution is the best format for this: I need the best quality for home listening, but want to share the music across multiple locations and don't want the hassle of trying to maintain multiple copies of iTunes with different quality libraries...


3. I do use playlists, extensively. At the same time, however, I like to be able to listen to albums. So on my "Car" Classic, you will find at least 10 self-made compilation playlists, plus the balance of space in albums. The compilations are continually evolving (I add and remove tracks periodically, as I buy more music) and are geared for taste [to relax after work, to drive at night, driving with the top down [convertible...] etc.


4. I already have to limit myself to "sync selected playlists" as my core music library is now about 245Gb and growing at the average rate of 4 albums a month...


I am really grateful for your suggests on the Smart Playlists, which I hadn't explored before, but will do so now.


In closing, I'd like to make one further observation... Our usage of technology as a species is growing exponentially and Apple recognise this as well as any other Tech company. The only problem that I have with Apple is that they believe they know, better than I do, what I want. They limit their product options to capacities that would be fine for 80-90% of their clients, but are unwilling to offer a "bespoke" service for clients with a different set of challenges. Yet in the case of this specific example - wanting an iPod Classic with a higher-capacity 1.8" HDD, it seems to me that there are zero technical reasons why they could not offer this as a solution. The only issue seems to be that they have decided that they would not sell in sufficient volume to warrant the production line setup.I'm OK with that, but how about offering an "in-store" upgrade option - take in a standard Classic and they will upgrade it to 320 or 500Gb for a fixed price?


It seems really strange to me that the company are unwilling to work with clients who have the finances and the interest in "getting more" from their investment in Apple products. It just seems like a short-sighted approach...

Nov 1, 2013 4:22 AM in response to ytene

I start using iPod from 40G and eventually up to 160G 2nd generation. I use it for storing my music collections. For 30 year my CD library growth, feel sad that iPod capacity stop growing, now my music library is exceeding 500G already.

I already have iPhone with me and I dont mind to bring also Ipod because:

"I like to bring my enture music library with me any time and anywhrer"

Second resaon I like Ipod can hold my entire library is that it can be my music library backup.


Please Apple , redesign High storage iPod Classic !!

Oct 1, 2015 9:06 AM in response to ytene

I've maxed out my 160gb iPod and it blows my mind that Apple not only hasn't made something with a larger capacity, but it discontinued the 160gb. I don't know if it's because of the cloud, or just because most people don't need that much space, but they're going to lose out in iTunes purchases if I can't fit more on my device. Grrr. I'm also considering buying another 160gb from a re-seller because I'm scared to death that one day I'll lose or destroy my iPod, and then I'd really be up a creek. I just hate to spend the money since they're more than retail now for a new one. What to do, what to do!

Oct 1, 2015 10:46 AM in response to I Live For Music

I Live For Music wrote:


I've maxed out my 160gb iPod and it blows my mind that Apple not only hasn't made something with a larger capacity, but it discontinued the 160gb. ...

What to do, what to do!

The original post in this thread is from just over three years ago. Since then, Apple has introduced the 128GB iPod Touch. So you do now have the option of a fairly large capacity iPod.


In addition, I stand by my suggestion (made almost three years ago) that by creating self-adjusting Smart Playlists which remove and then add back songs according to the rules you choose, it is possible to manage a music library that is larger than the iPod's capacity, with minimum of work for you.


Basically, this is done by deciding which songs you could live without for a while and automatically excluding them from the iPod once played by using the Smart Playlists and then automatically putting them back when a set time has passed and other songs are similarly removed. All the time that some of your collection is not on your iPod, you can at least fit most of everything that you want onto it.


So - plenty you can do:

  1. buy the 128GB iPod Touch and use Smart Playlists
  2. Buy an even smaller capacity iPod and simply make your Smart Playlists smaller
  3. Buy two iPods


If I put the highest Bit Rate songs in my library into a Playlist (including Apple Lossless), I have 483 songs, taking up 11.32GB of storage, that will play continuously for one day, ten hours and fifteen minutes. That's 34 hours and fifteen minutes so at eight hours a day, that would last me for four days without playing the same song twice.


If I include in that playlist, all songs at 256Kbps or higher, I have 6417 songs with a non-stop playing time of 21 days, five hours and six minutes. It would occupy 69.5GB of storage. Allowing time for sleeping etc. (as above), that Playlist would last for 63 days - that's two months. All of which will fit onto the 128GB Touch.


If you, or anyone else would like help in setting up a Smart Playlist or two, you only have to ask. Without any cost to you, or any more grief for yourself over the lack of iPod large enough for all of your music, you can at least try this work round and see if it might solve your dilemma.


Alternatively, continue along the current train of thought.

Oct 1, 2015 12:00 PM in response to I Live For Music

I've maxed out my 160gb iPod

Are you aware that you can get 512 GB iPod Classic's? Readily available on eBay.


it blows my mind that Apple not only hasn't made something with a larger capacity, but it discontinued the 160gb.


Me too. I hope for a 256GB Flash Memory, with lightning connector. Similar physical design to existing iPod Classic.


I much prefer having a dedicated music playing device. I find it much easier and safer to use in a car.

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