12 Replies Latest reply: Nov 7, 2012 8:24 AM by etresoft
Don Goldberg1 Level 1 (85 points)

I recently took the plunge and upgraded my iMac to Mountain Lion, and I've been dealing with some strange behaviors it exhibits. Never mind that it's slower than usual to boot up on my system (3 minutes average from initial power-on to normal operation), here are a few things I've noticed that may need ironing out in future updates:


1] I have Outlook 2011 on my system, and on a couple of occasions so far, when I start up, the program will automatically start itself up, just after the desktop appears. However, I don't have Outlook or any other app set to trigger itself on startup, so this has to be a fluke of the system.


2] Whenever I install something new, I get an error message of some sort, and yet the program I just installed works perfectly. I updated the system to 10.8.1 today, and got an error message saying the update couldn't be installed; when I restarted, lo and behold, I'm at 10.8.1 without any other problems. I also got a similar error message when I upgraded my copy of Parallels Desktop to version 8 recently, so I suppose there's a connection that involves updating or upgrading apps or system versions (and/or components thereof).


3] On startup, the Dock icon for Calendar defaults to July 17th, but eventually shows the correct date. This might not be such a great bug, but it is a little perplexing. Was July 17th an important date in Mountain Lion's development?


Anybody else notice these or similarly strange behaviors in Mountain Lion?

iMac (20-inch Early 2008), OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.1), 4 GB RAM
  • macjack Level 9 (50,775 points)

    1. Sounds like Ml's Resume feature.

    In Terninal copy and paste at the prompt...


    defaults write -app 'Outlook 2011' ApplePersistence -bool no

    Press return.


    You can also defeat it by unchecking the "Reopen windows when logging back in" on your shutdown menu.


    For the other 2 I would try starting in Safe Mode and see if the problem still occurs? Restart holding the "shift" key.

    (Expect it to take longer to start this way because it runs a directory check first.)

  • Don Goldberg1 Level 1 (85 points)

    I was going to do some of the things you described, but then I noticed something interesting in my system: After I installed the 10.8.1 update, a file got dumped onto the top level of my hard drive. It's labeled "mach_kernel" (without the quotes), and I find it a bit disturbing that it got there. If this happens to be the actual main kernel file for the entire system, I wonder what it's doing exposed like this. If it's a copy of the actual kernel, I wonder if it's safe to delete it without severe reprocussions. Either way, I'm not sure how to continue as long as I have it out there.

  • macjack Level 9 (50,775 points)
  • Don Goldberg1 Level 1 (85 points)

    Hid the kernel file successfully.


    I was considering your other advice over the last few days, when I was going through a few threads on single-user mode, since I was also considering using fsck to check the drive. I saw instead something on using Disk Utility to check the disk file structures, so I did that and then re-ran it from Recovery Mode when I was told there was an error in the multi-linked files. It turned out to be an orphaned file of some kind, so I fixed the directory structure before it could become a major problem down the road. I'm still getting the slowdown in the first three minutes of operation, though, and Calendar's Dock icon still takes its time going from July 17th to the current date.  I might try Safe Mode for these issues, but I still wonder what could be causing them. Now that I've run the deirectory structures check in DU, I shouldn't need to try somthing like fsck, but it might still help.


    No repeat incidents of Outlook auto-launching on startup, and I don't have the "reopen windows" option checked in the Shut Down dialog either, so that's good at least.

  • Don Goldberg1 Level 1 (85 points)

    Quick update: Just tried Safe Mode a few minutes ago, and things were quite different. Everything loaded quickly, and Calendar's Dock icon went right to the correct date. Everything loaded except a couple of menulets, and I think one or both of the corresponding pieces of software related to them may be to blame for the slowdown.


    One menulet that didn't load was for the StuffIt Deluxe Magic Menu, which has been working for me since before I upgraded to Mountain Lion, but which hasn't been updated itself lately (it's still at v15.0.4 after the better part of a year or more). Two others that didn't load belong to the Intego security software I've been using on my system for at least a year and a half. One is the NetUpdate menulet that allows access to all the installed programs I have from them, including the NetUpdate utility that updates everything; the other is a network traffic indicator that I could probably get rid of, since it just shows me upload and download rates. One of these items or programs may be to blame, although I suppose I'll have to inform their respective manufacturers about the problems I'm having with them, and ask for updates to fix those problems. At least now I know what may be causing the slowdown in the first place.

  • macjack Level 9 (50,775 points)

    If your apps function correctly that way, go to System Preferences >> Users & Groups >> Login Items and remove them (not just hide). Boot normally and test. You can add them back one at a time until you find the culprit. Either, or both of the ones you name seem like likely suspects. It's because Safe Mode disables all Login Items among other things.

  • Don Goldberg1 Level 1 (85 points)

    I just finished updating StuffIt Deluxe to 15.0.7, which was just released with no fanfare (I check MacUpdate and Cnet Downloads for 3rd-party updates on a regular basis, and it wasn't on either of their lists). So far, that doesn't seem to be the culprit, so I guess it's the Intego security software. Thing is, though, there's nothing in my Login Items that looks like it directly affects the core of that software, so I'm thinking it must be a kernel extension it uses. In that case, I don't think I can disable it myself without affecting all the programs connected to it, not just the security software. I use Intego's SecurityBarrier suite, which also includes system backup and program cache cleaning utilities, so disabling the extension might also affect those programs too. It's a thorny issue at the least. I may have little recourse but to complain to the manufacturer about it, as I said before that I might have to.


    At the least, this might explain why I got those bad install errors I mentioned in the second item of my starting post. Interference from security software could be the reason for that.

  • macjack Level 9 (50,775 points)

    It's really best to run no AV software. You'll always take a hit on performance and most just get in the way.

    Did you know Mac has built-in AV?


    "Mac OS X versions 10.6.7 and later have built-in detection of known Mac malware in downloaded files. The recognition database is automatically updated once a day; however, you shouldn't rely on it, because the attackers are always at least a day ahead of the defenders. In most cases, there’s no benefit from any other automated protection against malware."

  • Xagothan Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi, everyone!


    I'm having Don Goldberg1's 3rd issue: first July (or June) 17th then the current date...


    Is this a normal issue? Is this affecting the slow boot?



  • etresoft Level 7 (27,465 points)

    Xagothan wrote:


    I'm having Don Goldberg1's 3rd issue: first July (or June) 17th then the current date...


    Is this a normal issue? Is this affecting the slow boot?

    It is not normal but it is just a symptom of another problem.


    I suggest you start your own thread and describe all of your symptoms in as much detail as possible. It is not a good idea to piggy back on someone else's thread.


    I wrote a little diagnostic program to help show what might be causing these problems. Download EtreCheck from http://www.etresoft.com/download/EtreCheck.zip, run it, and paste the results in the new thread.



    Disclaimer: Although EtreCheck is free, there are other links on my site that could give me some form of compensation, financial or otherwise.

  • Xagothan Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for your reply etresoft.


    I'm new here. I wright a new thread as you suggest and run the EtreCheck diagnostic.

    The results are in this link: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4486030

  • etresoft Level 7 (27,465 points)

    It's no problem. It isn't really an etiquette breach because people do it all the time. But the original poster has special powers in a thread and I don't want you to miss out on that.