Is there any need to use a Firewall, anti-spyware, antivirus programs on a Mac

In the coming months I'm going to be purchasing an iMac. Presently I have a Windows PC 😊 and on this I need to run a firewall, anti spyware, anti virus programs.


From what I've read, the Mac OS is a lot more secure than Windows. So I was wondering if there is any need to run a Firewall, anti-spyware, antivirus programs.


I'll be interested to hear your opinions.


Thanks in advance.

Windows Vista, iPad (3rd Gen) 32GB iPhone 4S 32GB

Posted on Sep 7, 2012 9:25 AM

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Sep 7, 2012 10:29 AM in response to tal1971

This comment applies to malicious software ("malware") that is installed unintentionally by the victim of the attack. It does not apply to potentially harmful software, such as keystroke loggers, that may be installed deliberately by an attacker who has hands-on access to the victim's computer. That threat is in a different category, and there's no easy way to defend against it. If you have reason to suspect that you're the target of such an attack, you need expert help.


OS X versions 10.6.7 and later have built-in detection of known Mac malware in downloaded files. The recognition database is automatically updated once a day; however, you shouldn't rely on it, because the attackers are always at least a day ahead of the defenders. In most cases, there’s no benefit from any other automated protection against malware.


The most effective defense against malware is your own intelligence. All known malware on the Internet that affects a fully-updated installation of OS X 10.6 or later takes the form of trojans, which can only work if the victim is duped into running them. If you're smarter than the malware attacker thinks you are, you won't be duped. That means, primarily, that you never install software from an untrustworthy source. How do you know a source is untrustworthy?


  1. Any website that prompts you to install a “codec,” “plug-in,” or “certificate” that comes from that same site, or an unknown site, merely in order to use the site, is untrustworthy.
  2. A web operator who tells you that you have a “virus,” or that anything else is wrong with your computer, or that you have won a prize in a contest you never entered, is trying to commit a crime with you as the victim.
  3. “Cracked” copies of commercial software downloaded from a bittorrent are likely to be infected.
  4. Software with a corporate brand, such as Adobe Flash Player, must be downloaded directly from the developer’s website. No intermediary is acceptable.


Disable Java (not JavaScript) in your web browser(s). Few websites have Java content nowadays, so you won’t be missing much. This setting is mandatory in OS X 10.5.8 or earlier, because Java in those versions has bugs that make it unsafe to use on the Internet. Those bugs will probably never be fixed, because those older operating systems are no longer being maintained by Apple. Upgrade to a newer version of OS X as soon as you can.


Follow these guidelines, and you’ll be as safe from malware as you can reasonably be.


Never install any commercial "anti-virus" products for the Mac, as they all do more harm than good. If you need to be able to detect Windows malware in your files, use the free software ClamXav — nothing else.

Sep 7, 2012 10:29 AM in response to tal1971

I'm still using OS X 10.6.8 and have had the Firewall that's part of the "Security" options turned on. I don't know about Firewalls in Lion and Mt. Lion.


There are many discussions about anti-spyware and anti-virus software on this forum. I believe that the general consensus is that none is needed. ClamXav has been cited as workable but really not needed.


Maybe others will have other alternative answers.

Sep 7, 2012 11:03 AM in response to tanya3300

Thanks very much Tanya for the help it's much appreciated.


That's the thing that annoys me with Windows, arguable its a less secure OS to Mac, which then meant that I needed to run anti virus programs, anti spyware programs. Nice to learn that with Mac that having a bit of common sense and following Linc Davis advice, should then keep me safe.

Sep 7, 2012 11:37 AM in response to tal1971

Linc (among many others here) tends to be a little extreme on the issue of anti-virus software... I prefer not to tell anyone that they should not install anti-virus software in such absolute terms. Certain anti-virus software is bad, but some works well. The big issue that you need to understand is that it can't protect you better than you can protect yourself. So you can't just install it and do whatever you like, thinking you're safe. See my Mac Malware Guide for more details on that sort of thing.


As to the firewall, that provides no protection whatsoever against malware, and is useless for the average Mac user. See Do I need a firewall?

Sep 7, 2012 11:50 AM in response to tanya3300

tanya3300 wrote:


I'm still using OS X 10.6.8 and have had the Firewall that's part of the "Security" options turned on. I don't know about Firewalls in Lion and Mt. Lion.

As long as you are behind a router (wired or WiFi) there is no need to turn the OS X firewall on, since it's redundant and just slows you down a bit.


The option is still available in Lion and Mountain Lion (but probably turned off), should you need it.

Sep 7, 2012 4:22 PM in response to tal1971

The built-in application firewall is turned off by default. There's no reason to enable it if you're behind a router, on a network where you want to provide services; e.g., file sharing. There may be a reason to use if you have a portable computer that is sometimes on an untrusted network, such as a public hotspot, where services should not be accessible. Under no circumstances does the firewall act as a sort of malware filter, contrary to what many people seem to believe.


The characterization of my views elsewhere in this thread is false and inappropriate. This discussion isn't about me, so I'll leave it at that.

Sep 7, 2012 4:24 PM in response to tal1971

You will find this User Tip on Viruses, Trojan Detection and Removal, as well as general Internet Security and Privacy, useful:


https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-2435


The User Tip (which you are welcome to print out and retain for future reference) seeks to offer guidance on the main security threats and how to avoid them.


More useful information can also be found here:


http://www.reedcorner.net/mmg/

Sep 7, 2012 4:33 PM in response to Linc Davis

The characterization of my views elsewhere in this thread is false and inappropriate.


Linc, you said (and frequently say):


Never install any commercial "anti-virus" products for the Mac, as they all do more harm than good.


I see that statement as too extreme. That is not true of all anti-virus programs, and most absolute statements (those containing words like "never" or "always") cannot be completely true. There are other perspectives that tal1971 needs to consider. I am not attacking you, I'm disagreeing with you on one specific point.

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