Thanks for the reply. Yes, I was aware of the points that you mentioned. What I discovered is that a clean install of 10.8 does not work on this server. So I then read the Apple tech note; and once I had installed 10.6.8 and then upgraded to 10.8, I could login and turn ssh on - vnc was (obviously) ok. The problem I had previously was after doing a clean install of 10.8; the 10.8.1 update killed all vnc. I can only guess there are driver files required for the Xserver from 10.6.8. Anyway, it seems to be running fine. I have enabled PHP and installed mysql. Pleased to see that the 10.8 version of PHP has the required image libraries I need, so it's looking good to proceed as a web server. I don't need LOM, but I do need VNC or ssh . . . Thanks again.