Currently Being ModeratedSep 11, 2012 12:59 PM (in response to phenomenalworld!)
Check converted clip settings in fcp. If they're 23.98 (or something there abouts), you're fine. If they're 29.97, you'll need to remove pulldown.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 11, 2012 5:52 PM (in response to Michael Grenadier)
Ah yes. Rather simple, but didn't think it. Indeed it's still 29.97. I wish I could convert the two birds with one stone - I'm afraid, maybe needlessly, that multiple conversions will sully up the quality or readability of the data. But it'll probably be allright.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2012 5:29 AM (in response to phenomenalworld!)
if you initially convert the mts footage to an all i-frame format prores rather than hdv, I don't think you'll lose any quality when removing pulldown.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 2, 2012 9:10 PM (in response to phenomenalworld!)
just somehow found your last reply. wht is an all i-frame format prores, if i may ask. i'm unfamiliar with the term/notion (i know what prores is)...
Currently Being ModeratedNov 3, 2012 6:56 AM (in response to phenomenalworld!)
search is your friend, and wikipedia is an even better friend
Scan the wikipedia article. It's not that complicated.
Prores formats are all i-frames which contain all the data for that frame while HDV is a combination of i-frames and frames where the data is just the difference between previous and or following frames. I think HDV has i-frames every 15 frames (not sure about that exact number). An all i-frame format will have larger file sizes but will put less demands on the computer while a format like hdv has smaller file sizes but requires the computer to calcuate the image for all frames that are not i-frames.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 3, 2012 8:31 AM (in response to Michael Grenadier)
thanks michael. that clarifies. as long as i'm in touch with somebody who seems to know stuff about this, what do you think of h.264? it's been recommended to me for using with JES Deinterlacer for 24p pulldown process. I can also manipulate the data rate with JES so that the file isn't four or five times the size of the original, and the finished output seems to be very good quality....
Currently Being ModeratedNov 3, 2012 8:36 AM (in response to phenomenalworld!)
I've played around with it without anything jumping out at me that I can't do with compressor, cinematools, etc.
You're talking about removing pulldown? Certainly if you don't need to edit the material and you just need to remove pulldown, that'd be great if there's no quality hit. H264 is not a good editing format and it's NEVER a good idea to work with it in fcp. It will edit natively in Premiere and fcpX, but it's still not ideal.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 3, 2012 8:48 AM (in response to Michael Grenadier)
certainly i need to edit the material (using fcp6), that's why i'm removing the pulldown. why is it not a good idea to use h264 in fcp? i've already got (hundreds) of clips in my project that use either AIC or HDV and occasionally Photo JPEG. these seem to work fine - at least together in harmony on the timeline. are you saying that H264 won't work the wya these clips work in FCP?
Currently Being ModeratedNov 3, 2012 8:57 AM (in response to phenomenalworld!)
yup, that's what I'm saying. do a search here for h264 and you'll uncover a whole lot of misery.
It may work for a while, but eventually, it will bite you big time.
Drives are relatively cheap nowadays. My first external drive was I think 3 gigs and it cost a few thousand dollars.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 3, 2012 9:25 AM (in response to Michael Grenadier)
jeeez. misery is not something i'd like to encounter. i started a massive project of converting the QT files using H264 two days ago. i will scrap it. thank you! is there ny reason i should not use AIC,HDV, or Photo JPEG beyond what i've already got in my project (which is a lot)?
Currently Being ModeratedNov 3, 2012 10:10 AM (in response to phenomenalworld!)
I think you're ok with all 3 formats as far as being fcp friendly. As long as you see them in the Easy Setup sequence settings, you're probably fine. There can be issues with mixing frame rates. If you need to do that, post back and we can discuss workflow. Personally, I try and match all my clips to one sequence setting. not completely necessary, but in the long run it makes life simpler.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 19, 2012 5:47 PM (in response to Michael Grenadier)
Couldn't retrieve my apple password for a long time through cyber-obfuscations. But here I am, now. With all the misery that using 24p has wrought upon me, and now headed back into the field for more recording on the same project, I'm thnking of switiching to 30p. The question is, what issues can I expect when mixing frame rates and how much misery can i expect to encounter in doing so?
Currently Being ModeratedNov 20, 2012 9:51 AM (in response to phenomenalworld!)
you can usually drop 24p material into a 29.97 fps timeline without any issues EXCEPT that fcp does not add pulldown in the best way. If I remember correctly, fcp just repeats the 4th frame. This may or may not be objectionable when you view it. You can add pulldown with full flexibility in After Effects. I don't imagine it would be a big deal to do this after you've locked picture.
My mantra is 'TEST YOUR WORKFLOW" from soup to nuts (ingest to output in delivery format). I sometimes make DP's, producers, etc crazy, but better them than me.
And yeah, sometimes it is just simpler to shoot 29.97. But most importantly is what is your end use. i recently finished a doc that had to be output to a digital cinema package for academy award consideration. The specs demanded 24 fps (not 24p aka 23.976). My sources were all over the place. Landed up using compressor to change the frame rate of all material to 23.986 and then the post house doing the dcp output conformed to 24.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 25, 2012 2:30 PM (in response to Michael Grenadier)
it would actually be the other way around. i have a project been solidly editing for many, many months. it's in 24p (23.976). so i'd want to add 30 p footage to that. would there be inherent problems in this?