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yayamaui Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Found the pre-intel machine, but unfortunately (in this case) it is running OS 10.4.11. Want to make sure before I buy from ebay that I am getting the OS 9 I can use on this computer. Saw a reboot set for OS 9, will that work? Or do I need to already have 9 installed, which I don't. Does it matter which OS 9 version I get, or if advertised as for another model of computer will it translate to mine? Thanks ahead of time!


iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.1), 800 MHz PowerPC G4 PowerMac 4,2
  • Don Archibald Level 10 Level 10 (101,250 points)

    If the machine in question is the iMac G4 PowerMac4,2 you list in your forum specs, it can boot OS 9 using only the model-specific version of OS 9.2.2 that originally shipped with it. There are no retail (white label) OS 9 install CDs which are usable on that model.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,935 points)

    In case your hardware solution fails you, consider SheepShaver the Mac OS 9 (and 8 and some versions of 7) emulator that runs on Intel Macs.

     

    Check out my listing of sources for SheepShaver and Chubby Bunny at this thread:

     

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=14927170#post14927170

  • yayamaui Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks Don, I suspected as much.

     

    Could this work? It is a restore set, not install. eMac restore disks:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/290773582296?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m142 3.l2649

     

    Comment on this Mac Garden discussion said the eMac install works on iMac: 11th comment down  http://macintoshgarden.org/forum/mac-os-922-imac-g4

    although poster had a 700MHz iMac

     

    Thanks Michael, if all else fails will check out your link. Have seen the SheepShaver mentioned in my research.             

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,935 points)

    Let me know if the set you purchase works for you.  Contact me by email; screenname at AmericaOnLine

     

    Is that the "Luxo" iMac G4?  I still have the one my daughter purchased years ago.  The original disk set must be around here somewhere...

     

    If not, I have quite an extensive OS Library from those days.  I'll swap you!

  • yayamaui Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    hmmm, ok, need some clarification, please bear with me, not very techie, but love learning.

    So I have a 2003 iMac PowerPC G4 (PowerMac6,1 768 MB 1 GHz) currently running OS 10.4.11. NO DISKS whatsoever- someone gave me the computer, it was about to go in the "recycling". (which is such a shame- WHAT A COOL LOOKING COMPUTER!!!) I also have this year's model of MacBookPro and have had many macs, so I am not trying to be an apple rip off- just trying to play a game they have made obsolete. Wish I had kept a few of my older ones... 

     

    When I try to play this really cool game it says it that the classic environment is no longer supported. So question time: can I purchase a copy of the tiger os and reload it? I understand that the disks are extremely model specific and apple info says my model originally shipped with 10.2.3 installed, but what about the black retail copies verses the grey lables? And would this theoretical re-install of tiger then automatically include the classic mode, or is that a seperate disk? And if one purchaces this retail install disk, are codes necessary?  I have the overall user password from the original owner, but alas she tossed the disks... 

     

    the cool game is Alice: an Interactive Museum and is worth all this trouble...  it will play on os 9. The sheepshaver, looks way too complicated for my level of computer knowledge, but thanks for the suggestions.

  • yayamaui Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    MichealLAX, I didn't purchase it because I don't think it would have worked. Thanks for your kind offer.

  • yayamaui Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    it looks like tiger doesn't contain classic. So how do I get classic onto my iMac w/o the orginal disks? What do I buy?

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,935 points)

    yayamaui wrote:

     

    hmmm, ok, need some clarification, please bear with me, not very techie, but love learning.

    So I have a 2003 iMac PowerPC G4 (PowerMac6,1 768 MB 1 GHz) currently running OS 10.4.11. NO DISKS whatsoever- someone gave me the computer, it was about to go in the "recycling". (which is such a shame- WHAT A COOL LOOKING COMPUTER!!!) I also have this year's model of MacBookPro and have had many macs, so I am not trying to be an apple rip off- just trying to play a game they have made obsolete. Wish I had kept a few of my older ones... 

     

    When I try to play this really cool game it says it that the classic environment is no longer supported. So question time: can I purchase a copy of the tiger os and reload it? I understand that the disks are extremely model specific and apple info says my model originally shipped with 10.2.3 installed, but what about the black retail copies verses the grey lables? And would this theoretical re-install of tiger then automatically include the classic mode, or is that a seperate disk? And if one purchaces this retail install disk, are codes necessary?  I have the overall user password from the original owner, but alas she tossed the disks... 

     

    the cool game is Alice: an Interactive Museum and is worth all this trouble...  it will play on os 9. The sheepshaver, looks way too complicated for my level of computer knowledge, but thanks for the suggestions.

     

    Alice.jpg

    "The transcendant world of Alice was created through the cooperation of artists in three fields - the painter Kuniyoshi Kaneko, the musician Kazuhiko Kato and the computer-graphics artist Haruhiko Shono. The theme of this unusual collaborative effort derives from Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass. Kaneko provided numerous of those of his pictures that have been influenced by Alice's world and Kato contributed the music. With these as his material, Shono has created an elaborate interactive environment. The stage upon which this drama unfolds is a house of twelve rooms that include a gallery, an atelier, a wine cellar and a photo studio, each connected to others by corridors, doors, and even secret passageways. The persistent player will find as well a single exit that opens to the outside world. There is also hidden throughout the twelve rooms a deck of playing cards. On each card is a message that will enable you to unlock the mysteries of Alice's world. A wonderland of striking works of art, interactivity and compelling adventure game is waiting to be explored by YOU."

    __________________________________________________

     

    Your iMac G4 is one of the following three:

     

    Screen Shot 2012-09-30 at 8.41.27 AM.png

                                  [click on image to enlarge]

     

    Accordingly, the earliest operating system that will boot your computer is either OS X 10.2.3 or 10.2.7 depending on which specific Mac.  Since you say your label says it shipped with OS X 10.2.3, it must be the first one listed.  Hence you cannot boot OS 9 on this computer, but you can install OS 9 into the Classic Environment on it.

     

    Reading these Apple Support documents will help clarify what you need to purchase:

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/TA21153?viewlocale=en_US

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1585?viewlocale=en_US

     

    So while it would be helpful to have a set of OS X Jaguar install Disks in your library, it does not look like it is essential; you just need to have OS 9 to install into it.

     

    I think I made this offer once before...

     

    Let me know if the set you purchase works for you.  Contact me by email; screenname at AmericaOnLine

     

    Is that the "Luxo" iMac G4?  I still have the one my daughter purchased years ago.  The original disk set must be around here somewhere...

     

    If not, I have quite an extensive OS Library from those days.  I'll swap you!

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,935 points)

    yayamaui wrote:

     

    it looks like tiger doesn't contain classic. So how do I get classic onto my iMac w/o the orginal disks? What do I buy?

    Looks like this auction has what you need (OS 9.04):

     

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mac-OS-9-featuring-iTools-software-w-original-box-and-ma nual-ver-9-0-4-/261103184983?pt=US_Operating_Systems_Software&hash=item3ccaf66c5 7

     

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  • Texas Mac Man Level 8 Level 8 (46,535 points)

    If you just want to run classic mode, copy the System Folder from another Mac that has OS 9.1 (or better with 9.2.1 or 9.2.2) installed. A USB thumb dive works great for this. Transfer the folder to your iMac. It won't interfere with your OS X system which is in a folder titled System.

     

    However, some games don't work properly in classic mode.

     

    Cheers, Tom

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,935 points)

    Unfortunately the OP has indicated above that he does not have a copy of OS 9:

     

    Or do I need to already have 9 installed, which I don't. Does it matter which OS 9 version I get...

     

    Some helpful information for the OP would be: after he comes over to your house with a thumb drive and copies the OS 9 System folder from one of your Macs, when he goes home, where does he copy the OS 9 System Folder to on his OS X Tiger Mac (it has been WAY too long since I ran OS X Tiger PPC for me to remember)?

  • yayamaui Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks Micheal, this gives me a great direction to go and a way better understanding of what I need. So as I understand it, one can reinstall the OS version that came originally installed or later, but nothing earlier, is that correct? Looks like I can install 9.1 or later then. I feel better knowing that if I purchace one I can actully use it. And yes, it is the 17" flat screen model, but don't know if it is a Luxo as I don't know what that is (: What a beautiful computer- so Jetsen! Like a sculpture.

     

    I will read the links you provided and try to find a copy. Unfortunately the one you forwarded from ebay has already ended, but as I said, it really helped. If and when I am sucessful, I will return and give you a "this solved my problem" vote or even if it doesn't, may do so anyway!

     

    Yes, would be interested knowing about the OS 9 folder situation as well, just in case I can find someone and do the thumbdrive exchange. As apple no longer supports (sells) this OS I don't think it is illegal, yes?

  • yayamaui Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for the interesting response Tom. If I can find someone with OS 9.1 or higher will try it. As MichealLAX asks though, where would I place the new folder?

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,935 points)

    Sorry you missed that auction; how much did OS 9 sell for?

     

    Luxo, Jr. was an short film produced by Pixar in its early development days, 1986.  It is the source of the small hopping desk lamp included in Pixar's corporate logo.

     

    Given Steve Jobs' influence in both companies many thought that the design of the iMac G4 was an upside Luxo:

     

                                  Luxo_Jr._poster.jpg

     

    You need to understand that your computer will NOT boot OS 9 directly.  The earliest version of OS X that it will boot & run is OS X Jaguar 10.2.7 and the latest version it will boot & run is OS X Leopard 10.5.8. 

     

    However, PPC versions of Jaguar and Tiger (OS X 10.4.x) incorporate the Classic Environment, which when initiated will give you emulation of older Classic applications, including Alice.

     

    If the "load-when-needed" option is selected, double clicking a "classic" application first launches Classic, which can be configured to appear in a window resembling the display of a computer booting into Mac OS 9. When Classic is finished loading, the application launches. When a "classic" application is in the foreground, the menu bar at the top of the screen changes to look like the older Mac OS system menu. Dialog boxes and other user-interface elements retain their traditional appearance.

    As Tom suggested, my recollection is that an OS 9 System Folder was created somewhere on the Mac.  In my collection of Operating Systems, I have my old Classic Environment version of OS 9 saved to a CD-R.  I remember using that CD to just copy over OS 9 to my other new PPC Mac at that time.

     

    Let us know how you fare and post your questions and successes!

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