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Working alternative to Time Machine

The Time Machine is simply useless after the upgrade to Mountain Lion (MacBook Air 11-inch, Late 2010). 231 days for 29.8 Gb is too much even for a first back-up (WD MyBookLive NAS), which in my view should be just copy from from one disk to another. The back-up used to work before the upgrade. Basically I tried everything found in discussions (IP address instead of Time Machine, deleating TM files in system, choosing various settings, etc).

Any alternative to this software working under Mountain Lion? Really feel unsafe without backing-up...

OS X Mountain Lion

Posted on Sep 17, 2012 11:22 AM

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Posted on Sep 17, 2012 5:06 PM

I prefer Carbon Copy Cloner and only make bootable clones.

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Sep 18, 2012 2:05 AM in response to UKenGB

Thank you for the CCC description. I will consider it after checking TM with an external drive. Looks like CCC also needs an external drive for complete backups.

And sorry for sounding as blaming someone (Apple, WD, Linux, Windows, whatever). Truly speaking I do not care about OS and simultaneously use several of them. That is why was happy with TM on Mac working nicely with WD (though the only officially supported for TM on network was the Time Capsule), and WD working nicely with TM and other computers/devices (TimeCapsule could not work with according to internet searches at the time of setting up my network). I think the dissapointment that now only part of my set-up remains operational is quite normal reaction.

Sep 18, 2012 2:20 AM in response to UKenGB

I have used CCC for years. It is scheduled to do a bootable clone at 8 am every day which, if necessary, could get me back to full working within 5 minutes (less the lost work since 8 am).. I also do a manual backup to a USB HD about twice a month. I also have TM running, but twice over the last two years it has behaved eratically by refusing to backup and claimimg that the disc is full when it is not.

Sep 18, 2012 5:50 AM in response to sokratov

My reference to 2001 was because of a new AFP security protocol that Apple introduced in 2002. In 2011, Apple disabled the old, insecure protocol and every NAS device in the world stopped working.


Time Machine is designed to work with notebook computers. You don't have to keep it plugged into the backup drive constantly. Even when not connected, Time Machine will make local backups that provide protection against accidental deletion. Plus, with a local drive, you can encrypt your backup.

Sep 18, 2012 6:12 AM in response to etresoft

Yes, but AFP was initially supported by WD MyBookLive, and the new mandatory authentication method introduced in Lion was added in firmware update of this NAS soon after 1.7 release. Would be interesting to know what was introduced in Mountain Lion in addition to that - to wait for corresponding firmware or whatever update, and how often every NAS device in the World would require a new firmware in future...

Thank you for the TM explanation. How to force it to make a local backup? Right now in my case it is not offering local disk as an option (actually I am not sure it makes much sense, but still) and is not even allowing to enter the TimeMachine without connected backup disk.

Sep 18, 2012 7:09 AM in response to sokratov

It isn't a question of what was introduced in Mountain Lion. Maybe the change was in Panther? That is the problem with open source software. Apple's software is well understood and documented. Your version of Linux, like all versions of Linux, is different than every other version.


It is WD's responsibility to get their NAS working with Mountain Lion. If you rely on WD's device, then you can't upgrade until WD gives you the OK. If you were to switch to a solution that Apple supports, then you would get your backup done quickly, turn on local snapshots, and be on your way. If you insist on working with the NAS, then you need to contact WD.

Sep 18, 2012 8:47 AM in response to etresoft

Sorry, I do not understand what is this post about. Consider me stupid if you want. The title of the discussion is "Working alternative to Time Machine". There is one (CCC) suggested already and considered by me right now, though evidently one cannot expect it to work exactly like TM. If you can suggest anything else - please, do it. I know that these were changes from Lion to Mountain Lion which stopped my Back Ups. I am not blaiming Apple or WD, and I am not interested in who should be contacted to for making WD NAS and Mountain Lion to work together. The fact is simply like this: TM from Mountain Lion is not working with my NAS. So, I am looking, well, for "Working alternative to Time Machine" with my hardware set-up, which includes MacBook Air and WD MyBookLive among many ther devices. Buying a Time Capsule can also be a solution, but from the posts so far CCC seems to be cheaper and more reliable. Thank you.

Sep 18, 2012 9:20 AM in response to sokratov

sokratov wrote:


Sorry, I do not understand what is this post about. Consider me stupid if you want. The title of the discussion is "Working alternative to Time Machine". There is one (CCC) suggested already and considered by me right now, though evidently one cannot expect it to work exactly like TM. If you can suggest anything else - please, do it. I know that these were changes from Lion to Mountain Lion which stopped my Back Ups. I am not blaiming Apple or WD, and I am not interested in who should be contacted to for making WD NAS and Mountain Lion to work together. The fact is simply like this: TM from Mountain Lion is not working with my NAS. So, I am looking, well, for "Working alternative to Time Machine" with my hardware set-up, which includes MacBook Air and WD MyBookLive among many ther devices. Buying a Time Capsule can also be a solution, but from the posts so far CCC seems to be cheaper and more reliable. Thank you.


If you had a working solution with the WD, then you should troubleshoot that to find out why it's not working before resorting to alternatives to TM because THERE IS NONE. Nothing works with the simplicity and elegance and completeness of TM - NOTHING. As I said CCC is an excellent product, but it is NOT a TM replacement. Try using it to flick back through the different iterations of a file until you find the one you want. Try shutting down the Mac halfway through its copy process. These are typical reasons why TM is better at backups. Use CCC to archive your disk maybe. Certainly use it if you want to create a bootable clone of your HD, but don't be mislead into thinking it can do what TM can do.


There are other backup solutions that promise much, but in my experience don't actually deliver all they promise and even that is less than what TM offers.


Look into getting TM functioning first. If you want to solve your backup problems, you will HAVE to work through them in a logical manner and right now, that means trying an alternative backup destination that is guaranteed to work with TM. Once you've tried that, you'll know where next to look.

Sep 18, 2012 10:08 AM in response to UKenGB

Ok, it's running like 1 Gb per minute with external USB disk in MacOS Mountain Lion. TM works. No need in CCC if I would have to use external disk anyway.

But for the last 2 years I was using network disk with TM for back ups quite successfully, and would really prefer continue it this way.

The working solution with WD is using MacOS Lion instead of MacOS Mountain Lion. Which means the problem is between TM in MacOS Mountain Lion and the network disk.

Evident solution is to come back to Lion than. Which does not look really attractive to me.

As in my first post - all the suggested in other discussion boards games with deleting TM preferences files and so on did not help me.

So, before (if ever) WD would be able to provide a new firmware as they did after introduction of 1.7 by Apple - would it be possible to introduce the TM backup I am recently succesfully making on external USB disk as the "first back up" for instance coping it on NAS? There can be a hope that the following backups would not require half year and would be done overnight. Any experience with moving the TM back up files from place to place?

Thank you

Sep 18, 2012 10:21 AM in response to sokratov

Why do you need network backup? If it's just the one machine then USB is not a bad solution.


Do you use Apple Airport Extreme BaseStations for your WiFi? If so, you could connect a USB disc to the Airport and make that a TM destination (basically turn it into a Time Capsule), so you'd achieve network backup to an approved TM setup.


Local backups (such as you've just done) are I think done to a different format than those over the network, so trying to use one on the other doesn't work. However, you can copy the backups from 1 destination to another of the same type and continue using that.


Any reason not to consider just getting a Time Capsule?

Sep 18, 2012 10:33 AM in response to UKenGB

Nothing works with the simplicity and elegance and completeness of TM - NOTHING. As I said CCC is an excellent product, but it is NOT a TM replacement.

IMO, TM isn't simple or elegant. It's major shortcoming is that one needs to verify restoring before assuming it'll work. These forums are replete with failures. As for CCC, it provides a similar backup, archiving is available, as is cloning the Recovery HD, and if properly used by making a bootable clone, provides an immediately verifiable volume. Finally, CCC can be set up to mimic TM's hourly updating. I've not used TM since it shipped, preferring multiple, verifiable clones and I make those for three OSs.

Sep 18, 2012 10:54 AM in response to UKenGB

The network backup was convenient because I did not need to care when it was updated. I am always connected to network by WiFi. And it used to work. With USB disk I need to connect it from time for making backups. This extra care was not needed before.

The Airport Extreem is a good idea. Thank you. I only have Airport Express, which would not accept a USB disk. I should try how the TM works with a USB disk connected directly to router (have such router in office).

The reason not to consider the Time Capsule is as you stated - "If it's just the one machine then USB is not a bad solution". And one more router, not a cheap one, just for one computer backup... I would still miss the simplisity of previous set-up.

And will try to move back-up files around. Who knows...

Anyway some other alternatives to TM would be useful to be found

Half of 81 Gb back up on external disk is already finished. At least I will have a back up

Sep 18, 2012 11:02 AM in response to sokratov

sokratov wrote:


Nope, the cable connection did not change anything. Its 230 days for the remaining 27.85 Gb (it did work at night). Of course the number of "required" days is varying continuously, but does not look like dropping down.

Nice ot know that at least it was not WiFi slowing down the process...


FYI if your Network Preferences is configured such that Wi-Fi is given precedence over Ethernet, your Mac will still be using Wi-Fi whether or not you connected an Ethernet cable.


The system will use what you tell it to use, which may or may not be the fastest network connection.


This may or may not be the problem, but to eliminate confusion, turn off Wi-Fi. 230 days is absurd.

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