Q: Apple maps very disappointing

William Kucharski you are right. So too was Johnnie Cochran of the "if the glove dont fit, you must acquit" fame. Now you lawyers go off and do what you do best.

Meanwhile, we will keep the heat up on this issue, which is not based on some kind of esoteric lawyer talk.

We had a product that we payed for that worked great. In upgrading that product, the usability was completely and utterly diminished for those not living on a golf course in Florida.

The upgrade was represented by apple as "the most powerful" mapping service when in fact, it was at very best a beta product relative to what was previously available to users. They grossly misrepresented the release of this mapping service. I was duped into upgrading and as a result of trickery, would appreciate the ability to return to the useable state my phone had prior to the upgrade. Ive never ever in 13 years of using computers been unable to downgrade when i find a new release unsuitable to my needs. It is preposterous at best and illegal at worst. 

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rbrylawski, you are right. So too was Johnnie Cochran of the "if the glove dont fit, you must acquit" fame. Now you lawyers go off and do what you do best.

 

Meanwhile, we will keep the heat up on this issue, which is not based on some kind of esoteric lawyer talk.

 

We had a product that we payed for that worked great. In upgrading that product, the usability was completely and utterly diminished for those not living on a golf course in Florida.

 

The upgrade was represented by apple as "the most powerful" mapping service when in fact, it was at very best a beta product relative to what was previously available to users. They grossly misrepresented the release of this mapping service. I was duped into upgrading and as a result of trickery, would appreciate the ability to return to the useable state my phone had prior to the upgrade. Ive never ever in 13 years of using computers been unable to downgrade when i find a new release unsuitable to my needs. It is preposterous at best and illegal at worst.

And um, what law do you refer to with such conviction?  Maybe you should just stick to moaning and whining. 

In the USA it is true Apple can and probably will weasel out of their moral responsibilities to fix this matter. Unfortunately for them they have to operate in the rest of the world where there are several laws they have clearly broken. In the UK if you sell something, or provide a service that is clearly not fit for purpose, you have broken the law. If you make false claims in your advertising, you have broken the law. There are plenty of similar trading standards laws in other European countries.

All the level 6 and above gate keepers seem to be staunch defenders of whatever the company line is. This is very very creepy.

My iphone worked perfectly with ios5. In ios6, it has lost it mapping reliabilty to the point where it is unreliable and can not be trusted. The seemles integration that WAS the iphone has been completely lost.

There are many defenders of apple here and it seems to the point of blind fanatasism that I usually see associated with love of footbal teams or fanatical religions.

Why so angry at the fact that a customer such as myself is looking for a sensible solution? I simply would like apple to allow me to revert back to ios5 so that I can continue my complete satisfaction with one of the very best consumer electronic devices ever made. I repeat, the iphone 4s, in my experince WAS probably the best consumer device on a value-for-money basis I had ever owned. True, my lexus is possibly a better product, but it is way more money and thus, the value-for-money ratio in my view puts the Apple iphone 4s way ahead of it on a punch for your buck aspect.

My iphone 4s since the upgrade to ios6 has now become completely annoying to use by relative experience. And it is made even more annoying to use because i know that the fix is so simple!!!! Apple needs to bite the bullet and allow me to downgrade(sic) to ios5.

I'm not angry at all.  And you keep missing the point.  You've spent how much time here whining and moaning about something you have NO control over.  If anyone thinks this thread has Apple shaking in their boots, that ain't going to happen.  They've publicly admited the app is an issue.  They suggested alternative apps.  They said over time it will improve.  Other than that, you can threaten legal action (won't help), you can band together in a mob (won't help).  So, what exactly is it you think you're accomplishing by the constant woe is me?

I get it you don't like iOS 6 or Maps.  I'm not angry at you for not liking something. You're unhappiness is not central to my life or my experience.  But, you're not going to get anywhere on this forum with the constant wailing.

Instead of the constant complaining.  Do something.  If this issue is so paramount to your phone happiness, sell it and get something that will permit you to go back to your life in less pain.

You change tone from message to messge. Now it is the kinder softer rbrylawski. Nice to hear you talking nicely.

Many people on this forum for reasons beyond my comprehension are downplaying the reality of how bad Apple Maps really is. Some even seem to start trying to bait people who have come to express their experience as this would seem the logical place for such an expression.

The point of people posting here is two-fold. Change does not happen without people pressure. You claiming you know for a fact nothing will change irrespective of the volume of complaint is misguided. All change is possible if the right amount of pressure mounts. In addition, people posting here and sometimes on multiple occuassions covering the same point is done because they probably feel that some posters on here are falsly representing Apple Maps as a great new product that works perfectly. If that message was allowed to be repeated over and over without comment, another person who has ios5.1 and relies on google maps and is considering upgrading may do so to find that the Apple maps product is not what it was represented to be.

Softer and kinder?  That's nice of you.  But this isn't a complaint forum.  This is a forum for people to come and get answers to questions.  You and many others have asked a question.  You've been given the only answer that is currently available, yet you ask over and over and whine and moan.  Send your feedback to Apple via the proper channel.  Sell your phone.  Do something other than continue to say the same thing over and over and over and over and over that, at least on this forum will not get your beloved downgrade handed to you.  People have short memories.  There was antenna-gate.  Apple didn't offer a solution (which btw, was nothing more than a free case) until several weeks after iPhone 4 was released.  And guess what.  The cries of my phone drops calls, just seemed to go away.  Then there was Proximity-Sensor-Gate.  It was real.  I had it myself.  And it took a long time for a software update to come out rending this a non-issue for the masses.  Throughout all the "gates" Apple said nothing until they had a solution at hand.  If history repeats, Apple will just work behind the scenes to improve the Map (which btw, does have some terrific possibilities - far exceeding anything Google offered) and then this too will go away.  If you can't wait for improvements, that's fine.  No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to keep their iPhone.  You have options.  Just pick one and move on.

My question is simple. When will I be able to reinstate my phone to the point that the native mapping application is at least of that of an equivalent level to the time at which i bought it. Right now, the Apple Maps application does not work in a reliable nor stable manner. When i bought the phone, it did.

If you dont have an answer, go to another forum where you may be of help. If your answer is NEVER, then let me know under what authority you have to answer and on whose behalf. If you are going to quote a user agreement, dont bother, its not worth the paper it was printed on as all agreements and legal documents are opent to interpretation and legal challenge.

Again, if there is any confusion, Apple Maps is not up to the standard it was initially represented as. It is at best, a beta-product. How is apple going to remedy this? Is it going to be up to the jailbreak community to right this wrong?

Thank you for taking the time to create an articulate response. You are right. The loss of the GMaps app, that was one of the primary reasons many of us purchased an Apple product, is at best, stupid, at worst, negligent. Last year, at this time, Apple was god.  Talk about a fall from grace.

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I don't have the answer to your question, nor does anyone else here have the answer.  And I will NOT go to another forum becasue you don't like that answer.  You have NO right to tell me to go anywhere, thank you very much. 

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Thank you for taking the time to create an articulate response. You are right. The loss of the GMaps app, that was one of the primary reasons many of us purchased an Apple product, is at best, stupid, at worst, negligent. Last year, at this time, Apple was god.  Talk about a fall from grace.

 

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What are you smoking?  You don't like Maps.  Don't use it.  Sell your phone.  Get something that will serve your needs, but you have no grounds for a lawsuit as you agreed to the terms of the App Store, which as I posted earlier clearly shows that Apple didn't sell you any App and they can change or delete an App without anyone's input. 

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Another vote for giving us the capability to downgrade to IOS5 or give us Google Maps on IOS 6!

Remember how not too long ago Netflix ruled the world, and now as the Coldplay song goes, now they sweeps the streets they used to own.

Fortunes can turn quickly. Hopefully Apple will do the right thing and bring back Google Maps before before they start on a death spiral similar to Netflix or those other brands called Palm and Blackberry. They too use to rule the world.

Well Said, GK

Why are you behaving in this obnoxious manner, provide unsolicited legal advice, plays the advocates of a company that doesn't know you or even thinks that you exist?

We have mentioned it to you many times that your technical knowledge is of no value to us in this particular problem because it is inadequate and it doesn't solve any of the problem of the people coming to this thread as the majority of them are from outside the US where iLost is of no ******* value to them of what so ever. It is far inferior than the local paper map.

The Safari based Google Maps and all other suggested workarounds are nowhere close in performance and capabilities to the native Google Map application we used to have before the monkeys heading this company that he wants to sue lied to everyone about their ****** up IOS 6 and their iLost Maps. He can easily prove that they provided misleading information that made him and millions of others upgrade to IOS 6.

I have said it many times and I will repeat it again for you: The company that makes the "ultimate wish" of large group of its loyal customers becomes "dowgrading" is a company not worth working for, investing in, or buying from. And for your particular case it irritates people to see you defending it because you are thinking it couldn't be sued since it is the richest company in the world. Microsoft was the richest once and Bill Gates was themed as the Master of the Universe on Times Cover and it has been sued and they were forced to remove their browser from the operating systems of the new computers that were shipped.

Moral of the story, rich companies and rich people could be sued and could lose cases too.