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  • Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Oh please!  Leave Apple alone, or I'm gonna cry!

  • rbrylawski Level 6 Level 6 (11,820 points)

    Man, I can't believe you're still here?  Is your life so totally empty that you have nothing better to do than criticise people who have constructive things to offer.  Kind of pathetic.  Just saying.......

     

    I just popped in for my daily dose of humor.  I'm back to the iPad forum where people are actually sane and appreciate that many of us are here to help people who have ligitimate problems.

  • Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Apple's fault.

  • queen carbohydrate Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Terrible! It can't find directions to a courthouse 2 miles from me. It can't get me from a well known town to my apartment.

     

     

    We need a googlemap app and we needed it a month ago.

  • MartinBywater Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Spoke to technical help as I want the new map app to be removed,as its crap, there tech says it could be 3 years before its fully up to speed and there working on it.

     

    As I said all I want is the app removing either by going back to iOS 5 etc,neither possible, say if you bought the apple map app from the App Store,you would delete and or maybe give it a poor review.

     

    Seems apple can do what the **** they like now,and appear to be going backwards, what happened to there leading edge stuff.

     

    Even my iPhone 5 is not like my prev 4, that was a thing of beauty, the 5 feels worse than many android phones..

     

    I'm out, byee apple

  • woodmeister50 Level 5 Level 5 (4,330 points)

    MartinBywater wrote:

     

     

    I'm out, byee apple

    BYE, BYE.

  • woodmeister50 Level 5 Level 5 (4,330 points)

    etresoft wrote:

     

    sdc01 wrote:

     

    I will say this, come January 2013 and Apple hasn't responded by allowing their customers the choice of using iMaps or Google maps, my next phone will be an Android. Yes, I am just one customer but I suspect many others are thinking the same. For me, there are critical reasons why I need Google Maps.

    What everyone seems to be missing is the fact that Google Maps are Google Maps. Apple cannot include Google's services on its devices without Google agreeing to that. There was no agreement because Google wanted to be able to cross reference the content of your gmail with your current location to give you ads for stores that you just happen to be driving past.

     

    You can write letters and demand Google Maps all you want, but there is nothing Apple can do. That agreement was expiring and Apple values the privacy of its customers. Apple doesn't sell your e-mail to advertisers like Google does. Apple sells product directly to you. If you want Google Maps, you must get them from Google because they are the property of Google only.

    That is a good point that some folks miss, is that everytime you

    use Google Maps, Google is tracking everything that you do

    so that they can make money targeting people with advertising.

  • pedramolar Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Despite the controversy, reviews of Maps by respectable outlets have been pretty good -- better than they could have hoped.  If there was any chance that Apple would have allowed users to downgrade to iOS 5, they seem to be over.

     

    You do have a right to your opinion, but have you really used the iPhone 5?  Have you actually held one?  It's one thing to say that it "feels worse than many android phones,"; it's another to actually hold one.  Nothing about it feels cheap.  Anyone reading this should judge for themselves.

     

    I'm glad you understand that your choice as a consumer is to try something else.  If Maps is that bad and that important, and if you can't possibly use the alternatives, then, I think, a new phone is your only option.  Some have tried to make noise in the forum and perhaps it worked a little (The jury is still out).  However, now that things have calmed and reviews of the product have been released, there's no chance that Apple will do anything but try and improve their Maps app.

     

    Good luck.

  • MartinBywater Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Have it in my hand now, trying to have it accepted back by apple,but one month old so having to send receipts to them as its only been used for 2 weeks, was received when I was away.

     

    It's nothing like the feel of the 4/4s

  • sdc01 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    etresoft wrote:

     

    What everyone seems to be missing is the fact that Google Maps are Google Maps. Apple cannot include Google's services on its devices without Google agreeing to that. There was no agreement because Google wanted to be able to cross reference the content of your gmail with your current location to give you ads for stores that you just happen to be driving past.

     

    Actually, I believe that most people understand this. Do you actually believe that Apple's Map app does any different?

     

    The whole point of Apple wanting into the maps business is to collect this lucrative map data for themselves. The problem is, Apple will ALWAYS be years behind Google for mapping.

     

    The bigger issue I was trying to make (in case you missed it) was that Apple used to be about openness and choice (or at least this is what they preached in the early days) but Apple has become the company where choice is an illusion, limited to what they dictate.

     

    Apple built an amazing ecosystem, it would be a shame if they continue on this path of becoming isolationists. Even Steve Jobs once stated that Apple is successful because they recognize the strengths of others and understand that one company cannot do everything great. Have you all forgotten this?

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (27,125 points)

    sdc01 wrote:

     

    The whole point of Apple wanting into the maps business is to collect this lucrative map data for themselves.

    Just how is this map data "lucrative" for Apple? Apple doesn't track your movements so it can put targeted advertisements in your search results or sell your movements to other advertisers. Apple sells a product to you. Maps is part of the bundled software to give additional value to that product.

     

    Google uses maps to track your movements and to sell its map services to web sites. Google Maps is very expensive for web sites. When you use Google Maps, you are the Foxconn worker slaving away for corporate profit. Only, unlike the workers in China, you don't earn any money. In fact, you pay money for the privilege of creating Google's product.

  • Whirling22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    etresoft wrote:

     

    sdc01 wrote:

     

     

    The whole point of Apple wanting into the maps business is to collect this lucrative map data for themselves.

     

    Just how is this map data "lucrative" for Apple? Apple doesn't track your movements so it can put targeted advertisements in your search results or sell your movements to other advertisers. Apple sells a product to you. Maps is part of the bundled software to give additional value to that product.

     

    Maybe Apple does track you, maybe it doesn't. However Apple have demonstrated that it can and does change the rules simply by releasing a new OS. Apple wants to to remove this revenue stream from google not because it doesn't want for you to have to pay for it. It's because apple wants to profit from it rather than google.

     

    As for apple selling a product - they have demonstrated that this to is open to abuse. One day I had a useful smart phone. The next I had a mobile browser with a small screen "so it can be held in one hand"

  • luteslinger Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    The subject of this thread is "Apple maps very disappointing"  It's not   "Troll here to flame people who think Apple maps very disappointing"  One of--no--THEE Steve Jobs most use phrase, one he used daily was: "It's ****."  If he used this map, he would say "This is ****" and fire the piece of **** executive who rolled this out.

     

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  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (27,125 points)

    Whirling22 wrote:

     

    Maybe Apple does track you, maybe it doesn't.

     

     

    No. It doesn't. It was Google that got caught and fined for hacking Safari to track users.

     

    However Apple have demonstrated that it can and does change the rules simply by releasing a new OS.

     

    OK. Then don't install the new OS. Did you buy your first computer yesterday? Let the early adopters play with new features before you make a decisions. Go into an Apple store and play around with the version first.

     

    Apple wants to to remove this revenue stream from google not because it doesn't want for you to have to pay for it. It's because apple wants to profit from it rather than google.

     

    And also because Apple values the privacy of its customers. Apple makes money on the devices, not by selling your private data and e-mail to advertisers. Apple profits on the device either way. By ditching Google, Apple raises the value of that device by protecting users' privacy. Any users who want to voluntarily contribute to Google's bottom line can still do so. The same goes for Apple. Buying all these pretty devices is and always has been an entirely voluntary contribution to corporate profits.

     

  • Whirling22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    etresoft wrote:

    However Apple have demonstrated that it can and does change the rules simply by releasing a new OS.

     

     

    OK. Then don't install the new OS. Did you buy your first computer yesterday? Let the early adopters play with new features before you make a decisions. Go into an Apple store and play around with the version first.

     

    And also because Apple values the privacy of its customers. Apple makes money on the devices, not by selling your private data and e-mail to advertisers. Apple profits on the device either way. By ditching Google, Apple raises the value of that device by protecting users' privacy. Any users who want to voluntarily contribute to Google's bottom line can still do so. The same goes for Apple. Buying all these pretty devices is and always has been an entirely voluntary contribution to corporate profits.

     

     

    The standard pathetic response from you... Blah blah blah you shouldn't have installed it, you should have read the terms and conditions blah blah blah is this your first computer?

     

    apple does not value anything to do with its customers, they have demonstrated this in its treatment of its customers with ios6