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  • Bobo123a Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    No reason for you still to be whining here then. ;-)

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (26,220 points)

    Nogueira wrote:

     

    You've got the correct location, but there's no explanation for this:

    tonefox explained it above. This is a data point from the NGA (National Geospatial-intelligence Agency) geonames database. This is leftover data from the old (paper-based) gazetteers of yesterday. The location is correct within that database's resolution. Certainly Apple needs to remove it, but it isn't going to confuse anyone. All you are doing is focusing in on one (1) incorrect point. Do you really expect anyone to believe that Google does not have a single incorrect data point? Not even one? I can assure you, Google has many. Both Google and Apple have many, many more correct data points.

     

    You are trying to tell a story of failure with one coordinate and you have failed miserably. 

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (26,220 points)

    RCGlass wrote:

     

    Apple, powerless? I doubt that very much. They just weren't willing to meet Google's licensing terms.

     

    And you know this based on what? You have concrete, certifiable evidence that Google was willing to renew that license at all? You know for certain that those terms did not include scanning users activity and e-mail contents for advertising opportunities? Because those are Google's standard terms for service - look them up.

     

    The problem is they weren't prepared with an adequate replacement when the license ran out. What is disturbing is how bad the map data is from Tom Tom, a company that has apparently been doing OK selling their own GPS devices for years. Are they providing Apple with the same mapping data they use for their own devices? If so, how have they managed to stay in business?

     

    The fact that they are in business and doing well is objective evidence that the data is good. Perhaps Tom Tom (and Apple) knew their database needed improvement and this is a win-win deal for both companies. After all, a good portion of Google's data actually came from Apple users to being with. With all that map activity now feeding into Tom Tom and not Google, they might be able to catch up to Google.

  • RCGlass Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    etresoft wrote:

     

     

    RCGlass wrote:

     

     

    Apple, powerless? I doubt that very

     

    much. They just weren't willing to meet Google's licensing terms.

    And you know this based on what? You have concrete, certifiable evidence that Google was willing to renew that license at all? You know for certain that those terms did not include scanning users activity and e-mail contents for advertising opportunities? Because those are Google's standard terms for service - look them up.

     

    And your statements about Apple and Google and their licensing agreement are based on your special insider knowledge?

     

     

    etresoft wrote:

    The problem is they weren't prepared with an adequate replacement when the license ran out. What is disturbing is how bad the map data is from Tom Tom, a company that has apparently been doing OK selling their own GPS devices for years. Are they providing Apple with the same mapping data they use for their own devices? If so, how have they managed to stay in business?

     

     

    The fact that they are in business and doing well is objective evidence that the data is good. Perhaps Tom Tom (and Apple) knew their database needed improvement and this is a win-win deal for both companies. After all, a good portion of Google's data actually came from Apple users to being with. With all that map activity now feeding into Tom Tom and not Google, they might be able to catch up to Google.

    All I know is that Google's data has proved accurate from day one in my user experience while Tom Tom couldn't get my neighborhood correct even before Apple adopted their maps. This for a street that hasn't changed on paper maps since the 1930s in one of the oldest cities in the U.S.!

     

    And when I contacted Tom Tom as a paying customer of their app; they informed me that, even with "expidited" action on the problem, I shouldn't expect to see a corrected update for at least a year.

     

    So I guess you are saying we should be happy to be Apple's and Tom Tom's guinea pigs while they take their time to fix what wasn't broken? Because it will help them "catch up" to the competition? Or bring them increased revenue?

  • Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    You have the right to say whatever you want, but against facts there is no arguments. In fact it was Apple that failed miserably by prematurely launching one of the worst piece of software ever produced, codenamed Apple Maps.

     

    You are trying to defend what even your guru leader said that it is not reliable.

     

    I am from Brazil, city of São Paulo, state of São Paulo, and I can assure you that Apple Maps is almost useless here. All the contacts I have in my agenda, Google maps could found the addresses precisely, but Apple Maps can't find them.

     

    Besides that, there are wrong routes, no information about transportation, no voice navigation in portuguese language, wrong locations.

     

    If I foreigner come here and try using Apple Maps, would be completely lost.

  • Bobo123a Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Worst piece of software ever? Hahahahaha!!! What a sheltered life you've led.

  • ThomasMore66 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Still haven't updated to ios6 just to keep the maps.  My wife upgraded her phone and now all I hear is complaining with maps and Safari.  Samsung is looking pretty good for the next phone right now.

  • Bobdc6 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Even Apple's CEO apoligized for Apple Maps, so there is big problems with it.  Apple's stock price seems to reflect problems at Apple and the question of Job's death on the future of Apple.  There have been big changes in the transition from Mobile Me to Icloud, resulting in a departure from "It just works" to it may or may not work.  Since Lion and ios 6, I no longer blindly install any updates from Apple until I have time to look at reviews of those updates.  This is something new for me at Apple, but was routine when I was running Microsoft Windows machines, when the fix was often worse than the problem.  That being said, I still have high confidence that Apple will eventually get back on course toward the "It just works" creed.

  • Bobo123a Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Mobile Me just worked did it? Mmkay!

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (26,220 points)

     

    Nogueira wrote:

     

    I am from Brazil, city of São Paulo, state of São Paulo, and I can assure you that Apple Maps is almost useless here. All the contacts I have in my agenda, Google maps could found the addresses precisely, but Apple Maps can't find them.

     

     

    I am in Ontario, Canada, a province with about the same population as São Paulo. At one time people claimed that Apple Maps was useless in Ontario too. I knew that was false and now the original site is gone. I don't know about Brazil because I'm not there.

     

    Perhaps you need to change your contact addresses to be more Brazilian standard. You have already seen how either "Suarão" or "Suarão (avenue)" works in Google. If you use "Av. Suarão", it works anywhere. You may have constructed your contacts using addresses that worked in Google. That is a self-definiting system. You can create contacts that work in Apple Maps too. You could have created addresses that don't work in Google Maps (such as "Suarão avenue", "Avenida Suarão", or "av. suarão") but you didn't, because those didn't work.

     

    Besides that, there are wrong routes, no information about transportation, no voice navigation in portuguese language, wrong locations.

     

    If I foreigner come here and try using Apple Maps, would be completely lost.

    There are wrong routes and locations in any system. The focus in this thread is to bash Apple Maps so people only point out those locations that are correct in Google and wrong in Apple. It is well known that transit is no longer included. There are 155 São Paulo apps available and some of those are maps. I'm pretty sure you didn't have voice navigation in Portuguese with Google Maps.

     

    Until someone wants to buy me a plane ticket to São Paulo, I will have no way to verify that information. I tried a few addresses in São Paulo and if I spelled them in a Brazilian format, I could find them. If I spelled them in a US format, I couldn't. Google does do a better job with US-style addresses in Brazil.

  • Nogueira Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    etresoft wrote:

     

    I am in Ontario, Canada, a province with about the same population as São Paulo. At one time people claimed that Apple Maps was useless in Ontario too. I knew that was false and now the original site is gone.

     

     

    Sorry, but that is not what these sites are saying:

     

    http://www.torontostandard.com/article/apple-maps-fails-in-ontario-programmer-of fers-solution

     

    http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-5-2/how-accurate-are-apples-maps-in-ontario- chart/

     

    http://o.canada.com/2012/10/02/canadian-blogger-exposes-woeful-results-for-iphon e-maps-app-in-ontario/

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (26,220 points)

    Nogueira wrote:

     

    etresoft wrote:

     

     

     

    I am in Ontario, Canada, a province with about the same population as São Paulo. At one time people claimed that Apple Maps was useless in Ontario too. I knew that was false and now the original site is gone.

     

     

    Sorry, but that is not what these sites are saying:

     

    http://www.torontostandard.com/article/apple-maps-fails-in-ontario-programmer-of fers-solution

     

    http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-5-2/how-accurate-are-apples-maps-in-ontario- chart/

     

    http://o.canada.com/2012/10/02/canadian-blogger-exposes-woeful-results-for-iphon e-maps-app-in-ontario/

    All of those links are just reposts of the same story that I referred to above. The blog post in question was false and deliberately misleading. It claimed, among other things, that there are hundreds of places in Ontario that aren't in Apple Maps. Those places are nothing more than farm road intersections. The entire site is has since been taken down.

     

    I have used Apple Maps to navigate to actual places in Ontario that aren't in Google Maps. If Apple Maps coverage in Brazil is as bad as it is in Ontario, then you don't have anything to worry about.

  • duckdive Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Etersoft

     

    Personally, it is very pleasing to know that for you, in Ontario Canada Apple maps works great.

     

    Here in Melbourne Austrralia, it is terrible. True, it can find many places. True it can navigate to many places. The problem is that Apple Maps is unreliable. Sometimes it gets it right, sometimes it gets it wrong. When searching, it needs very specific and detailed criteria to find an address. And again, it may well be leading you a few blocks off course at best, and often many kilometers astray.

     

    Google maps, in my personal experience worked perfectly in Australia, Singapore and Indonesia. I never ever, not once was lead off course. That is my personal experience.

     

    The apple iphone, as a result of the apple maps software has become an average consumer product. Id reluctantly recommend it if asked based on the integrated mapping application. Previous to the upgrade, I considered the iphone 4s the best consumer electronic product on the market. A product like the iphone is only as good as the combination of hardware and software driving it. The apple maps application is a great application but its data is terrible. True that google maps was a mess many years ago, but it is 2012, it is the month of November and the standard required today an only be based on what is going on today. Apple maps today, compared to google maps is a beta product and should not be released. It needs a lot of work.

     

    Unfortanately, here in Melbourne Australia, if you want to be able to reliably navigate, you can not rely on the Apple Maps application. If you simply go to the same work place daily, it will be fine. But if you use mapping daily to go to unfamiliar locations, apple maps is a toy. Google maps is the gold standard. The upgrade from ios5 to ios6 destroyed the perfection that was the iphone 4s.

  • swisslu Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Strange thing... We've got a new traffic circle in our Town (Switzerland). On Tomtom Maps (maps.tomtom.com) and also openstreetmap they allready changed it weeks ago, in Apple Maps, there is still no traffic circle... Strange?!