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  • William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,890 points)

    Typhx wrote:

     

    See the side my Alpine box (yes, it's retorical): it displays a made for iphone logo, as do plenty of units from all manufacturers still in the supply chain.

     

    I can't make and release a Toaster and just slap a logo like that on it. Ergo, Apple must approve use, which should require compliance testing (If it doesn't - APPLES FAULT). I would not be suprised if a substantial fee was levied for the privelage of displaying and marketing products with such a benefit . Apple should have a database of approved products or how else would they sue TX's Amazing iPhone Toaster (If it doesn't - APPLES FAULT). Thus they should ensure any updates dont 'break' ALL approved units, maintaining compliance. However, I accept that some bugs/errors may not be able to be fixed but customers should be clearly advised which units are affected in release notes, they can then make an informed decision whether to 'upgrade' (as it didn't - APPLES FAULT).

     

    Nice try, but the MFI program only certifies compatibility with units available as of the time the device was manufactured.

     

    Or is it your point of view that Apple should provide free Lightning dock adapters because the design of the iPhone 5 broke devices that worked perfectly well with the old dock connector?

  • Mutley 251 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Unfortunately the iPhone 5 doesn't provide any good news!

     

    I am running Bluetooth into a MY12 Golf GTI.  It happily runs the audio, however every minute or two I get a fraction of a second audio dropout. Very noticeable and very annoying.

     

    I have also lost the ability to access playlists etc via the car.

     

    On a slightly positive note, the song and artist info does show on the car screen.

     

    Everything worked perfectly a couple of weeks ago via my 4S.

  • William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,890 points)

    By the way, I found this at TWICE:

    Kenwood Outlines iPhone 5, iOS6 Plans

    Long Beach, Calif. – Kenwood said it expects Apple’s 30-pin-to-Lightning adapters will resolve incompatibility problems between select aftermarket autosound head units and the eight-pin Lightning connectors on Apple’s new iPhone 5, seventh-generation iPod Nano and fifth-generation iPod Touch.


    Nonetheless, Kenwood is waiting to test the Apple adapters when they become available this month before confirming compatibility, said product manager Rick Noetzli.

    The company is also developing stereo-Bluetooth updates for its head units to make them compatible with the Bluetooth version used with the iOS 6 operating system, which appears in the iPhone 5 and iPod Touch and is available for download to the iPhone 4 and 4S and previous-generation iPod Touches.

    The new OS use Bluetooth 4.0 and AVRCP 1.4 (audio video remote control profile), which by definition should be backward-compatible with the Bluetooth 2.0 and AVRCP 1.3 versions used in Kenwood head units.

    However Noetzli speculated that “some level of miscommunication” that is now apparent with the iOS 6’s version of Bluetooth might not have been apparent with the previous Bluetooth versions used by Apple in the past.

    The compatibility problems include intermittent stereo Bluetooth dropouts on some models, lack of streaming on other models, and loss of play/pause control and metadata on some models when connected via wireless Bluetooth to iOS 6 devices.

    Kenwood hopes to have a Bluetooth software update available “as soon as possible” for its head units, Noetlzi said. Users would download the update to a PC and transfer it to the head units via the head units’ USB ports.

     

    Note that this is Kenwood admitting at least some of these issues are theirs, as they are the ones developing a firmware update, rather than state"Apple will fix their bug."

     

    Also, just as a heads up, AVRCP 1.5 was adopted on July 24, 2012.

  • spanks127 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    9 more days to see if iOS6.1 with a blue tooth fix is released, otherwise this former fanboi is jumping ship, along with all 12 of his business 5's. 

     

    For those looking to return phones to AT&T, simply call them and schedule it over the phone.  They will actually send you a return box, and they will also reimburse you for all at&t peripherals (including cases) that you have purchased.   Just my return alone will cost apple $3528.00.. 

     

    I know that is a drop in the bucket for them, but maybe next time they can be sure to make their phones support former versions of software. 

     

    I'll start researching "how to root" this time next week.  LOL

  • William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,890 points)

    spanks127 wrote:

     

    9 more days to see if iOS6.1 with a blue tooth fix is released, otherwise this former fanboi is jumping ship, along with all 12 of his business 5's. 

     

     

    Just do it now - you'll be much happier and will be able to spend your time on your business rather than worry about whether your phones can display artist/title information on your car stereo.

     

    (It's also not going to cost Apple anywhere near that, as if anything AT&T will send Apple the phones, they'll be inspected, Apple will send AT&T replacement merchandise (at cost rather than retail pricing) and the inspected returns will either be sold as refurbished or used as warranty replacements.)

     

    Also, did you read Kenwood's response to iOS 6 issues above?

  • Lord Mischief Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    My stereo hasn't changed but apple has changed its not hard to see who is at fault, Headsets for calling may work but periodicly drop out but music control and meta data does not work and was working on 5.11, Why should stereo makers update their harware whaen it was fine before ios6? i like how apple havent commented but end users are all arguing over this.

     

    Maybe it is time to send my phone back and try another working handset my phone is no longer fit for purpose as its not doing what its supposed to.

  • mowog74 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Or is it your point of view that Apple should provide free Lightning dock adapters because the design of the iPhone 5 broke devices that worked perfectly well with the old dock connector?

    Actually that is my point of view.  Are you so sure of Apple's infallibility that you really think this is so preposterous?  I've bought cheap computer mice before that came with a USB-to-PS2 adapter just in case I wanted to connect it to a 20-year old computer.  Is it that strange that I'd expect my $600 phone to come with an adapter so I could connect it to a $200 device I bought 6 months ago?

     

    William Kucharski wrote:

     

    Note that this is Kenwood admitting at least some of these issues are theirs, as they are the ones developing a firmware update, rather than state"Apple will fix their bug."

    They aren't admitting anything of the sort.  The fact that Kenwood is developing a firmware update to address these issues is simply proof that they want their devices to work, it doesn't necessarily mean anything's wrong with their own implementation.  It's just as likely that they've decided to put their customers first and develop a patch to work around some noncompliance in Apple's code.  That aside, nice find on the article.

  • kz5fhz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The whole point is whether it is compatible with the "old stuff or not"  what else are they going to take away....   WIFI next? so that all data must be paid to cell phone companies?.   Bluetooth, Meta Data... or what ever.  I think no matter how small the complait it is,  it is very valid.   It worked before and it should work now.   If you want to advance your technology then leave your previous product intact and functioning like it should.   Apple Before Steve left us made an excellent product (This coming from a PC Guy).   It should keep that excellent product in tact and advance to a new product.  

     

    Leave our existing products alone.  

  • rustykerr123 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    kz5fhz wrote:

     

    ...If you want to advance your technology then leave your previous product intact and functioning like it should...

    Or replace it with something better providing all the same features.  Although, I don't think this was done on purpose, I thinks someone at apple forgot to write some code or something like that, but this is only my guess.

  • crankerchick Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Yeah I read that article the day it came out and, to me, it doesn't admit any fault, it just says there is a problem and Kenwood will work on fixing it for their products if possible.

     

    Specifically:

     

    The company is also developing stereo-Bluetooth updates for its head units to make them compatible with the Bluetooth version used with the iOS 6 operating system, which appears in the iPhone 5 and iPod Touch and is available for download to the iPhone 4 and 4S and previous-generation iPod Touches.

    The new OS use Bluetooth 4.0 and AVRCP 1.4 (audio video remote control profile), which by definition should be backward-compatible with the Bluetooth 2.0 and AVRCP 1.3 versions used in Kenwood head units.

    However Noetzli speculated that “some level of miscommunication” that is now apparent with the iOS 6’s version of Bluetooth might not have been apparent with the previous Bluetooth versions used by Apple in the past.

    That doesn't sound like Kenwood saying they have a problem. It sounds like Kenwood saying the obvious, which is that Bluetooth is an industry standard that includes backward-compatibility, which Apple seems to have gotten messed up with it's move to AVRCP 1.4. My guess, and also what I have seen speculated by other tech sites, is that iOS 6 is failing to fall-back to the AVRCP 1.3 profile when the paired unit doesn't support 1.4. Now whether that is a miscommunication on the side of the unit or the iDevice, I'm not sure of--the specifics of the Bluetooth protocol aren't my specialty.

     

    I'm pretty confident that Apple didn't intentionally take away support for AVRCP 1.3, in part because I don't think you can even comply with the AVRCP 1.4 standard without backward compatibility. More like something is just faulty somewhere.


    That said, technically speaking, I believe the fix needs to and will come from Apple, which is good because depending on manufacturers to update existing products to AVRCP 1.4 will leave a lot of people waiting a long time.

     

    For those unwilling to wait, the answer is simple, go back to your iOS 5 device is possible. If you move to Android, you will still be without AVRCP 1.3 (so no metadata), but if you are in the unfortunate camp whose bluetooth device doesn't work at all, then at least that problem will be solved.

     

    I'm going to wait it out and just go with my work around, which is to make sure my phone is fully paired and connected BEFORE I attempt to stream music. This means making sure I take my car's audio source OFF of bluetooth before I turn the car off, so that when I turn it back on when I get in the car the next time, my phone will be able to fully connect before attempting to resume playback. That seems to keep my complete loss of bluetooth audio under control.

  • William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,890 points)

    Apple started supporting AVRCP 1.4 in iOS 5, so if it were a simple 1.4 vs. 1.3 issue iOS devices wouldn't have worked properly with BT headends for the past year or so.

  • crankerchick Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    The new OS use Bluetooth 4.0 and AVRCP 1.4 (audio video remote control profile), which by definition should be backward-compatible with the Bluetooth 2.0 and AVRCP 1.3 versions used in Kenwood head units.

    I guess I just, you know, like, read "The new OS use...AVRCP 1.4" along with, gee, i don't know, like www.google.com to find that Apple went to AVRCP 1.4 in iOS6. It's just reading though, I could totally be wrong. Especially since I can see from google that it is reported both ways, some saying in ios 5 and others in ios 6, so not sure.

     

    Either way, I use Apple products, but I don't drink the kool aid. It worked properly before and it doesn't now. The stereo didn't change, but the OS did. Apple broke it and now they need to fix it.

  • mkrochmalnek Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'm in the same boat as many posters on this thread, have a brand now Pioneer head unit in my car (avh-p8400bh installed a few months ago - 2012 model) and I had full control of my bluetooth controlled iPhone 4 with iOS 5 including play/pause, skip track, song and artist info, etc. After upgrading to iOS 6.0 all I can do is stream music but cannot control the music through the headunit or see any of the song info.

     

    I also bought an iPhone 5 and it does not work as well, exact same issue (I'm planning on returning the 5 but mainly for other reasons, extremely poor battery life for example).

     

    I've read through many of the post on this thread and here is my two cents worth. It seems unlikely that the fault would lie with the manufacturers of the devices connecting to the iphone for two reasons. 1) many devices worked exactly as advertised when connecting to an iOS 5 device, the issue is only arising when devices are upgraded to iOS 6. Thus all else being equal, iOS 6 is causing the incompatibility issues as no hardware on either side has changed and only the iphone software has changed. 2) The sheer number of different devices and manufacturers that people are reporting incompatibilities with, from thrid party stereo headunits from numerous manufacturers, to stock car headunits, to bluetooth headphones, it would be highly unlikely that all of these units and manufactures have something wrong with their software or hardware.

     

    To mee apple is the one that broke it in iOS 6 and they need to be the ones to fix it. It worked under iOS 5, no reason it should not work under iOS 6. Here's to hoping Apple comes out with a fix soon.

     

    I've got an appointment at my local Apple store to address this issue and the issues with my iPhone 5. I'll keep you all posted.

  • HaskellRaskal Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I paid more than $700.00 to upgrade the head unit in my Corvette less than two weeks before the iOS6 update.  The Pioneer head unit worked fine until the update.  I absolutely consider this a IPhone problem since the &*)$% phone also no longer works in the wife's 2012 Ford Explorer or my 2011 Toyota Tundra.  What a load!  And exactly how would I re-flash all of the above head units when they all worked perfectly before the iOS upgrade?  I WAS considering upgrading to IPhone 5 but now without knowing absolutely the thing will work in my vehicles as I don't plan on upgrading $150,000.00 worth of cars so they will be compatible with the freaking IPhone.  IPhone fix this problem!  I trusted you with my phone needs and am now comtemplating divorce.  Does anyone out there know of a decent phone that will still work with my automobiles?

  • William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,890 points)

    Of course it works just fine in a 2011 Toyota FJ Cruiser.

     

    Manufacturer head ends have broken before due to bugs in the firmware; with increasing complexity it's inevitable.

     

    For example, Mazda 3 headends stopped working when iOS 5 was released because they only supported AVRCP 1.3, not 1.4:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3381837?start=90&tstart=0

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