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  • 660. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    van-daviz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi People,

     

    Last night I found that Clarion has released updates for their NX702, NX702E, NX702A navigation units.

     

    At this stage I can only see that the NX702(E/A) shows the following:

     

    "5) A2DP and AVRCP behavior with iOS6"

     

    I'm sure they will release updates for their other products soon.

     

     

    Go to their web page (for your local country) and click on support. You'll see software updates NX702(E/A) on the lower right hand side.

     

    I updated my NX702A (Australia) last night. The process wasn't the easiest as it took about 30mins all up. Note: you need a blank microSD + blank USB drive

     

    Now I have all of my Bluetooth functions back including all track information & control from the unit!

     

     

    Thank you Clarion!!!!!

  • 661. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    matsayz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Deepcover,

     

    I couldn't find anything in the manual or on the US Pioneer site about actually updating so I doubt it's going to happen and I've really never heard of headunits getting updated unless it had a Nav section... But yeah USB and load it up. We'll see, hopefully the next big iOS 6 update comes soon but I think it'll be after the new year

  • 662. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    Fancher Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    "As Google Maps Humiliates Apple, The Silver Lining Is Millions Will Finally Upgrade To iOS 6" and Then Realize Their Expensive USB Accessories Are No Longer Compatible

  • 663. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,705 points)

    Fancher wrote:

     

    "As Google Maps Humiliates Apple, The Silver Lining Is Millions Will Finally Upgrade To iOS 6" and Then Realize Their Expensive USB Accessories Are No Longer Compatible

     

    Whatever… among other things this thread was about Bluetooth issues.

  • 664. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    CWHOTH Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    This whole thread is so laughable.  Fanboys insisting that the manufactures have not kept up.  All BS.

     

    Sorry Apple implemented a non standard bluetooth protocol.  Plain and simple.  Some Car manufacturers and radio units are buckeling to Apple and releasing firmware updates because they dont want their owners to be left out while others see it as it is Apples problem.  How can I say this?

     

    As a developer I tested iOS 6 with my Ford Sync system and it worked flawlessly all the way through Beta 2.  The day I updated to iOS6 release it stopped working completely.  So even if a car or stereo manufacturer had the code "months in advance" it would have done them no good because there was a fundamental change in the bluetooth protocol in the release version.

     

    Add to this that both Ford and Dodge both have determined that is due to Apples use of a non standard bluetooth protocol through their own testing.

     

    Oh and after sending an email to Tim Cooks office I have had several phone calls from engineers wanting logs from my phone or wanting me to try certain things to get it to work and give them resulting screen shots of errors not only on my iPhone but my car unit as well...sooo Going by anotheer posters comment that manufacturers wouldnt be putting time into it if it wasnt their fault, explain why Apple is putting time into little ol me, if they dont see it as at least somewhat their problem....Fanboy William???

  • 665. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    mowog74 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    CWHOTH wrote:

     

    As a developer I tested iOS 6 with my Ford Sync system and it worked flawlessly all the way through Beta 2.  The day I updated to iOS6 release it stopped working completely.  So even if a car or stereo manufacturer had the code "months in advance" it would have done them no good because there was a fundamental change in the bluetooth protocol in the release version.

     

    Add to this that both Ford and Dodge both have determined that is due to Apples use of a non standard bluetooth protocol through their own testing.

     

    Oh and after sending an email to Tim Cooks office I have had several phone calls from engineers wanting logs from my phone or wanting me to try certain things to get it to work and give them resulting screen shots of errors not only on my iPhone but my car unit as well...

    If this is true then Apple's behavior on this issue is worse than I thought.  I was at least giving Apple the benefit of the doubt, conceding that maybe the faulty implementation was on the stereo OEM side, but maintaining that it was still irresponsible and customer-unfriendly of Apple to release the update knowing that so many devices would stop working properly.

     

    But this (again, assuming it's true) is downright reprehensible: breaking their implementation at the last minute AND having the gall to imply that the fault lies with stereo manufacturers

  • 666. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    deepcover Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It's not fanboys insisting that it's the manufacturers, it was Apple when it released the statement.  What issues are present on Ford Sync? Is it the same AVRCP issues, or something different? Can you tell us more about the Apple engineers calling you at home to try and figure out the problem? I find this the most interesting, and a bit worrisome. This is the first that I've heard on these forums of Apple reaching out to the community for help on this issue, or help from private developers period. Maybe Apple did screw this up.

  • 667. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    crankerchick Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I've seen reports with Ford Sync both "working" and "not working" and part of the problem is what does "working" actually mean? Some people don't even know they can metadata out of the device so to them "working" may just mean the headset pairs, streams, and has playback controls. We've already seen in this thread where all kinds of bluetooth issues (and non-issues) have been posted, some of which are on topic and some that aren't. CWHOTH I too would like some clarification on the nature of the issues you've experienced.

     

    For example, if you are experiencing issues with your bluetooth pairing, handsfree, etc--the main bread and butter--then Apple trying to troubleshoot makes sense because for most people (I think), basic functionality (calls, music streaming) *should* work. If they are troubleshooting the metadata issue, then that would be in direct contradiction to their issued statements regarding that capability being a stereo manufacturer problem.

     

    For the sake of all of us, I hope your comments are regarding metadata because I sure as heck don't think I have a prayer of seeing an update from my car stereo manufacturer.

  • 668. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    Fancher Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    You are correct, I meant Bluetooth. I fouled that one up. My Apologies.

  • 669. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    rwjrn Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I've read through all the posts in this thread and haven't seen any reasonable responses as to how multiple devices that worked before iOS 6 but now don't isn't the fault of Apple.  It's not about a need to blame Apple.  It's about a need for all our expensive electronic devices to work.  I have about 10 bluetooth devices including Beats wireless headphones, Beats pill, Jambox, seveal bluetooth dongles and a Bose Soundlink.  The only device that now works is the Bose.  I love Apple products.  I like the way iTunes works seamlessly with my phone and tablets and I can play music and videos wherever I go. I can't do that anymore and I'm frustrated that company image is more important than admitting you didn't do your homework before you released an update.  I can't get the manufacturers of 10 different products to change their software to work with my iPhone so Apple needs to man up, admit the problem and fix it. 

  • 670. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    deepcover Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Delete the profiles on your Bluetooth devices and pair with them again. You may have an issue with your phone. My Jambox and other Bluetooth devices work fine with iOS 6.  The issues on this forum are related mostly to the radio controls and metadata used in car stereos.

  • 671. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    Dr Agonlord Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    RWJRN said:- 'I've read through all the posts in this thread and haven't seen any reasonable responses as to how multiple devices that worked before iOS 6 but now don't isn't the fault of Apple.  It's not about a need to blame Apple.  It's about a need for all our expensive electronic devices to work. '

     

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    Good luck on trying to get that point over. it worked, there was an update and it stopped working afterwards seems like an obvious area for the initiation of troubles. I would be happy if my stereo stuff still worked. Made worse by the fact I liked the stereo so much (when it worked with apple iphone) that I fitted the same unit in the wifes car, now neither of them work as they did before IOS 6 arrived.

  • 672. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,705 points)

    Would that be the same Ford Sync system that has worked flawlessly with my iOS 6 phones in multiple model year 2012 and newer rental cars?

     

    Apple implemented the latest standard, and some device manufacturers did not properly implement that standard.  (For example, a majority of people here having issues are having them with devices made directly or indirectly by one of three electronics manufacturers - Alpine, Clarion and Pioneer.  Yet many other manufacturers' devices have had zero issues with iOS 6 Bluetooth. Funny, that.)

     

    We've seen this happen several times before, so it's not at all surprising it's happened again.

     

    Apple likes logs so that they can diagnose your particular problem and, if they determine it's a manufacturer's issue, they can go to the manufacturer and show them they sent a compliant stream but their devices went out to lunch.

     

    Please post the directives from Ford and Dodge stating that any issues with their head ends is due to Apple's non-compliance with Bluetooth protocols.  If they had, the links would have already been posted here ad nauseum.

     

    But that's OK, dismiss me as a fanboy if it makes you feel better - but what will you do when Android someday supports AVRCP 1.4 and it doesn't work with those same head ends, either?

  • 673. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,705 points)

    crankerchick wrote:

     

    I've seen reports with Ford Sync both "working" and "not working" and part of the problem is what does "working" actually mean?

     

    From posts here and on the Ford Sync forums, the issue is that on Ford Sync you cannot have your car reliably read and respond to text messages via Bluetooth because of a dispute on how the Bluetooth MAP protocol should be implemented.

  • 674. Re: bluetooth music issues after iOS6 update
    linkovich Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The Razr and Razr Maxx already support AVRCP 1.4.  So much for your knowledge of AVRCP.

     

    When Bluetooth devices work fine under iOS 5 and then stop working reliably when the only change is iOS6,

    * a sane person blames the device that changed.

    * a childish fanboy blames the device that DIDN'T change.

     

    And, since you don't seem to understand AVRCP, here it is in simple form: 1.4 only adds new commands. It DOES NOT change any previous commands or interfere with previous versions of AVRCP.  Sorry, but you've lost your AVRCP credibility.

     

    I'll expect you to disappear into thin air when Apple finally fixes this and we find that, yes, it was Apple's fault.

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