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Should i change my Dual 1.8 for a Dual Core 2.0 or wait?
Hi folks,
I have had my dual 1.8ghz for 18 months or so now and i am wondering wether to change it for a re-furb Dual 2.0/2.3ghz (previous model) or either a Dual Core 2.0ghz or 2.3 ghz? The reason i am attracted to the previous models (rather than the Dual Core) is so i can use my existing ram and high end graphics card, neither of which will work with the Dual Core machines. It seems that the price they are at on the refurb store means i would only have to shell out a couple of hundred pounds and get a fresh 12 month warranty as well. I also have an awfull lot of games and software that is obviously Power PC and as i use them all regularly i'm not sure about waiting for the intel Power macs?
Mac OS X (10.4.3),
G5:160GB/250GB/2GB RAM/256MB 9800 PRO-VERAX FAN/USB 2 CARD/POWERBOOK: 20GB/512MB
I have both a Dual 1.8 and a Dual 2.7... the only upgrade I would consider is the Quad. I don't think you will see a real world performance increase between a Dual 1.8 and a Dual Core 2.3. Unless you need the speed for video rendering or compression. I use Photoshop on both and the 2.7 feels snappier... but I wouldn't switch from the D1.8 to the D2.7 for that alone. Now the Quad would be another story. I am hoping that by the time the Intel PowerMacs are released that more software (read Adobe & Office) are UB. I also think the Intel Macs will be blazing fast. An associate hacked Windows XP onto a MacBook Pro (this was prior to bootcamp) and he said it was the fastest Windows computer he ever owned! So, I am waiting. I would like to have a Quad, but the whole PCI-e thing is a bother. And my Dual 1.8 holds up very well against my 2.7... except in rendering/compression!
I have both a Dual 1.8 and a Dual 2.7... the only upgrade I would consider is the Quad. I don't think you will see a real world performance increase between a Dual 1.8 and a Dual Core 2.3. Unless you need the speed for video rendering or compression. I use Photoshop on both and the 2.7 feels snappier... but I wouldn't switch from the D1.8 to the D2.7 for that alone. Now the Quad would be another story. I am hoping that by the time the Intel PowerMacs are released that more software (read Adobe & Office) are UB. I also think the Intel Macs will be blazing fast. An associate hacked Windows XP onto a MacBook Pro (this was prior to bootcamp) and he said it was the fastest Windows computer he ever owned! So, I am waiting. I would like to have a Quad, but the whole PCI-e thing is a bother. And my Dual 1.8 holds up very well against my 2.7... except in rendering/compression!
I have to concur with Mike. If you are going to upgrade go for the Quad. I have one and I really find it to be great. I got one with a 7800 GT video card in it. If you do anything that is video intensive it make a difference. My 7800 GT doesn't have any problems with fan noise.
Get a Quad now while you can get good money for your unit yet. Keep the Quad a couple of years. By then, all the bugs should be worked out with the conversion to Intel and you can upgrade to an Intel Power Mac.
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Hi Mark,
I sold my Dual 1.8 and bougth a Dual 2.7 a few months ago. It makes a difference when you are doing a lot of video stuff and those things, but you don't really "feel" the difference.
I have had my dual 1.8ghz for 18 months or so now and i am wondering wether to change it for a re-furb Dual 2.0/2.3ghz (previous model) or either a Dual Core 2.0ghz or 2.3 ghz?
I doubt your going to see any tremendous performance increase for your trouble.
The reason i am attracted to the previous models (rather than the Dual Core) is so i can use my existing ram and high end graphics card, neither of which will work with the Dual Core machines
Neither will most of those work in the Quad, especially the graphics card as there is no AGP slot.
Most game engines use just one CPU, a few will throw some sound or other things on the second CPU, but not enough usually to max the second one. Also most 3D games are video card performance dependent, not CPU.
So basically your suggesting upgrading your CPU's for just a few Ghz that you might not even see any great performance benefit.
You might want to consider adding more RAM, a 10,000 RPM 74GB Western Digital Raptor (not the RaptorX!!) as a fresh installed boot drive and keeping your documents, pictures, movies and homegrown music files in new folders on a second internal drive. You should see Mac OS X zip along very nicely with that Raptor, slimmed down below 50% filled with a fresh install of Mac OS X. (always Erase w/Zero a new blank drive)
Since your not going for the Quad, and your a gamer, you should be saving your money for the QuadMacTel box that will be rolling around near the holidays.
With Leopard's virtualization ability or dual boot Windows XP, you'll be able to game with all the titles from both platforms.
With Windows Vista and all the new games coming for that OS next year, the cards are still up in the air if a Mac will run a M$ DirectX video card, but at least you'll have the processing power and CPU compatibility already.
So upgrading your CPU, even to a Quad, isn't such a hot idea with the recent "Boot Camp" announcement.
Should i change my Dual 1.8 for a Dual Core 2.0 or wait?
I forgot to add that a Dual 1.8 might be just as equal performance wise because it's two independant processors. Not two cores on one chip sharing a bus and memory controller.
So if you throw in the slight .4 Ghz (400 Mhz) against the missing memory controller and bus, these two machines might be just about equal.
I realise my graphics card won't work on the Dual Core models but i was refering to the UK Apple refurb store having some of the previous Dual Proccessor 2.0/2.3/2.5 ghz models available at very reasonable prices, all of which would work with my AGP card but they've all gone now anyway!
Never mind i'll probably wait for the Intel model and home most of my games and applications are released with Intel updates.
No sign of Quake yet and i'm not really sure how it will run on mine as Doom 3 is a bit jerky on my machine and it's based on the same engine. I might wait for some benchmarks first.
I don't really ned a Quad either and your post is interesting.
Have you tried importing cd's into iTunes? My freind has a Dual Core 2.0 and his imports rip between 10x and 20x but mostly around the 10x mark, but mine will regularly hit 25x to 35x? The only difeerence i can think of is that my drive is a non Apple shipped Pioneer 110, but they are both 16x dual layer drives. This is the only real area where he notices the dual core to be a bit slow. We both import at 192kbps and as mp3's. He also reckons the graphics card in the Dual core 2.0 (6600 LE) is not as good as my Radeon 9800 Pro and he is awaiting the nividia 6600 upgrade kit from Apple.