iPhone5 issues with WPA2/AES Wifi

I am using a Dual- Band Linksys E2500 router with WPA2 Personal (WPA2/AES) enabled. None of my other apple products (iPhone4S, iPhone4, iPad2 and the New iPad) have had problems connecting to my router. But everything changed when I got my iPhone5.


Basically the iPhone5 is capable to connect to the WPA2-Personal wifi network but after 1-2min starts to drop network packages, hence, I cannot browse any page (not even the router page 192.168.1.1) even though I still have a valid IP and the wifi icon is shown on my top screen.


I pinged the phone from my router diagnostics page and while I can browse the web with the iPhone5, I can see no packages lost. However after 1-2min the iPhone5 cannot open any websites while still connected to the wifi, it starts to show network packages lost.


A workaround that I found was to create a "Guest" network (which is not WPA2-Personal) or even WEP. There are no issues when connecting to these alternate networks.


Can anyone out there confirm this issue?? Is it software or hardware related?? It seems to me there are issues with WPA2-Personal (WPA2/AES)


Thanks in advance,

C

iPhone 5, iOS 6

Posted on Sep 23, 2012 6:50 AM

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Posted on May 3, 2013 9:45 AM

Ok Folks! UPS just dropped off my new replacement iPhone5 and I have an update for you: The new replacement works BEAUTIFUL with my WPA2 network and I did not change a thing. I got the new phone, restored my backup and I was able to connect and hold the Wifi connection.



P.S: My only complaint now is that the new phone came with some scuffs 😟


Regards,

C4RLOCO

Durham, NC USA


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May 3, 2013 9:45 AM in response to C4RLOCO

Ok Folks! UPS just dropped off my new replacement iPhone5 and I have an update for you: The new replacement works BEAUTIFUL with my WPA2 network and I did not change a thing. I got the new phone, restored my backup and I was able to connect and hold the Wifi connection.



P.S: My only complaint now is that the new phone came with some scuffs 😟


Regards,

C4RLOCO

Durham, NC USA


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Sep 23, 2012 7:00 PM in response to C4RLOCO

Hello C4RLOCO,


Sorry you are having issues with connecting via wifi. I have the Linksys E2500 router as well. Guess what? I had issues connecting via WPA2 Personal. I switched the router to WPA with TKIP encryption and it worked flawlessly. The issue is keeping a sustained connection with WPA2 /AES as we have discovered.


Today, I went to the Apple Store and told them about the issues I was having, which was connecting to routers that are WPA2/AES. The guy understood basic networking, so this was helpful. I told him my problem sounds like several who have already posted on the Apple Forums. He quickly found several discussions relating to WPA2/AES issues and agreed I must have a bad phone if I am having problems keeping a solid connection. They replaced my iPhone 5 (32gb) without any hassels. Now, it wasn't until I got home that I could test device because they did not have a WPA2/AES setup in the Apple store. Fortunately, my new phone has no issues connecting to WPA 2/AES at all, so the riddle has been solved and I am happy now.


Does anybody know if this is hardware or software related? I believe a bad batch of phones must have been released before Apple could correct.

Thanks and hope this helps!

Oct 2, 2012 7:09 PM in response to ronaldomenezes

Ok. I called Applecare and spoke to a senior person there because whoever answers the phone does not have a clue about the problem. The person I spoke told me Apple has identified the issue and is officially admiting there is a problem with some of the devices. The instructions are to "recall" all the devices known to have the issue and have others sent. They are overnighting 2 iPhone 5 for me since we have with the same issue here. She assure me that the devices they are sending are new and have had the problem fixed already. But in any case, I'll test. 🙂

Oct 5, 2012 5:32 PM in response to C4RLOCO

I am using a Cisco 4200 and had exactly the same problem. iPhone 5 would not connect to encrypted signal, but would be OK for the GUEST regular signal.


Went to Apple store, they replaced the phone and the 2nd phone works well uisng the fast encrypted signal.(based on MAC Address both manufactured by Apple)

The guy at the Apple store said they had something like 50 defective phones (total) and my phone will be returned as an "engineering failure unit".

Oct 7, 2012 7:33 AM in response to ITStickyWicket

Like to share with you my findings and resolution with the iPhone 5 Wi-Fi slow and unusable connection when using WPA, WPA2. I work as Network engineer and also hold a Cisco CCNP and other security qualifications. Hopefully this might resolve and help some people out.


After experiencing unusable Wi-Fi on various networks with lots of network timeouts on my new IPhone 5 16GB Black I downloaded an app that allows you to ping from iPhone/iPad I used a paid app called Scany but there are lots of free apps that allow you to ping.


What I discovered testing with my own wireless N access point 802.11n:


From my iPhone 5 I ran a continuous ping of around 500 packets to my wireless N access point IP address.. Remember we are testing the Wi-Fi connection so don’t add complications of pinging across the internet which could introduce issues and latency out of your control.


No Security – No Issues

WEP Security – No Issues

WPA with TKIP encryption - No Issues

WPA2 with TKIP encryption - No Issues

WPA with AES encryption – Approx. 70+% packet loss

WPA2 with AES encryption - Approx. 70+% packet loss


I used 2.4Ghz range and 5Ghz range. Same on both frequencies.


So the issue I suffered and I suspect most people are suffering is down to WPA2 or WPA with AES encryption. If you can change to TKIP. I would not recommend selecting Automatic encryption as it is most likely to select AES as it is preferred encryption standard.


Note WPA2 or WPA with TKIP encryption is very secure and should not really cause any real security concerns. AES is more secure though. The main difference you will notice though if you are using a wireless N Wi-Fi network is that TKIP will only allow data to pass at a theoretical speed of 54Mbits the same as a Wireless G network 802.11g


I suspect most people connect to various secured Wi-Fi networks during our daily lives you would have no way of knowing or altering the security used or encryption in use. Most Wi-Fi networks I would imagine are WPA2 or WPA with AES encryption as this is the most secure standard you are likely suffer this problem.


Don’t turn wireless off and I certainly cannot recommend using WEP as it is easily compromised.


As there is no major stories in the media although growing along with the issue on this forum. I suspect the issue is limited to a small but substantial batch of iPhone 5’s. They reckon they’ve sold 5 million+ so it might not be that many when you sell that many phones.


Resolution:


Tried two system restores one from a backup and the next one setting the iPhone as a virgin/new phone. Issue still present. Resetting just your network connections will have no effect either.


Phoned Apple Care first agent did not know about the issue, passed to supervisor who had only heard of one report of this but by the sound of it that seemed like another issue not connected to what I was reporting. They were not aware of it only being AES encryption as the issue. They only recommended dropping from WPA2 to WPA. Anyway I made an appointment with a Genius at my local Apple Store. (Milton Keynes, UK). They say they had not heard of the issue. I presented them with screenshots of the packet loss when using WPA/WPA2 with AES encryption and they were happy to exchange for a brand new phone as it was only 6 days old.


New phone has no issues with any encryption.


I have no idea if this issue is hardware or software. I have access to a IPhone 4 and IPhone 4s both running iOS6 neither of these suffer this problem. I would suggest getting your phone exchanged with apple sooner than later in case it does turn into a hardware issue.


Hope this helps some people…….

Oct 8, 2012 4:03 AM in response to gmansc1

The app I used is in my original post below. I used a paid app called Scany. There might be free apps but don't know if they will let you do a continuous ping. Using speed tests accross the internet does not prove the issue you need to do something like I did to prove the issue. The issue is Wi-Fi encryption issue not an issue with the Internet so why involve it.


This issue to me is looking like an iPhone 5 only hardware issue. Previous iPhones and iPads running iOS 6 are not suffering the issue experinced below.


Like to share with you my findings and resolution with the iPhone 5 Wi-Fi slow and unusable connection when using WPA, WPA2. I work as Network engineer and also hold a Cisco CCNP and other security qualifications. Hopefully this might resolve and help some people out.


After experiencing unusable Wi-Fi on various networks with lots of network timeouts on my new IPhone 5 16GB Black I downloaded an app that allows you to ping from iPhone/iPad I used a paid app called Scany but there are lots of free apps that allow you to ping.


What I discovered testing with my own wireless N access point 802.11n:


From my iPhone 5 I ran a continuous ping of around 500 packets to my wireless N access point IP address.. Remember we are testing the Wi-Fi connection so don’t add complications of pinging across the internet which could introduce issues and latency out of your control.


No Security – No Issues

WEP Security – No Issues

WPA with TKIP encryption - No Issues

WPA2 with TKIP encryption - No Issues

WPA with AES encryption – Approx. 70+% packet loss

WPA2 with AES encryption - Approx. 70+% packet loss


I used 2.4Ghz range and 5Ghz range. Same on both frequencies.


So the issue I suffered and I suspect most people are suffering is down to WPA2 or WPA with AES encryption. If you can change to TKIP. I would not recommend selecting Automatic encryption as it is most likely to select AES as it is preferred encryption standard.


Note WPA2 or WPA with TKIP encryption is very secure and should not really cause any real security concerns. AES is more secure though. The main difference you will notice though if you are using a wireless N Wi-Fi network is that TKIP will only allow data to pass at a theoretical speed of 54Mbits the same as a Wireless G network 802.11g


I suspect most people connect to various secured Wi-Fi networks during our daily lives you would have no way of knowing or altering the security used or encryption in use. Most Wi-Fi networks I would imagine are WPA2 or WPA with AES encryption as this is the most secure standard you are likely suffer this problem.


Don’t turn wireless off and I certainly cannot recommend using WEP as it is easily compromised.


As there is no major stories in the media although growing along with the issue on this forum. I suspect the issue is limited to a small but substantial batch of iPhone 5’s. They reckon they’ve sold 5 million+ so it might not be that many when you sell that many phones.


Resolution:


Tried two system restores one from a backup and the next one setting the iPhone as a virgin/new phone. Issue still present. Resetting just your network connections will have no effect either.


Phoned Apple Care first agent did not know about the issue, passed to supervisor who had only heard of one report of this but by the sound of it that seemed like another issue not connected to what I was reporting. They were not aware of it only being AES encryption as the issue. They only recommended dropping from WPA2 to WPA. Anyway I made an appointment with a Genius at my local Apple Store. (Milton Keynes, UK). They say they had not heard of the issue. I presented them with screenshots of the packet loss when using WPA/WPA2 with AES encryption and they were happy to exchange for a brand new phone as it was only 6 days old.


New phone has no issues with any encryption.


I have no idea if this issue is hardware or software. I have access to a IPhone 4 and IPhone 4s both running iOS6 neither of these suffer this problem. I would suggest getting your phone exchanged with apple sooner than later in case it does turn into a hardware issue.


Hope this helps some people…….

Oct 10, 2012 9:05 PM in response to C4RLOCO

The problem where an iPhone 5 connects to a WPA or WPA2 network encrypted with AES, momentarily connects to the internet, and then stops after a few seconds, is 100% a hardware problem. My phone would not maintain an internet connection on either my home or work networks, both AES encrypted. I switched my home network to TKIP encryption as a temporary workaround, which worked fine. I had my phone replaced at the apple store and now it connects to AES encrypted networks normally.


If you have this specific problem, get your phone replaced, rather than waiting around for a software fix, which may never happen. Even if it is eventually "fixed" with software, it would most likely be some sort of workaround for a hardware bug, and you'd probably end up with wifi that doesn't perform optimally.


Also, disregard all the posters telling you that you can fix it by changing your network settings. That would only be a temporary workaround and you still wouldn't be able to connect to other wifi networks out in the world that you don't administer. WPA2/AES is the industry standard for protected wifi networks.

Oct 18, 2012 4:48 PM in response to C4RLOCO

I got my replacement iPhone 5 today from Verizon. I got my first one the day they came out and it had the problem with WPA2/AES connectivity (it connected and worked briefly but then, in spite of showing a solid connection, it would quit receiving data).


I contacted Verixon support by phone and they arranged to send me a replacement but I had to wait almost a month.


Well, the new phone arrived today and, after a slight glitch activating it which required a trip to the local Verizon store, everything is working as it should. I'm a few hours in now without a glitch so I'm very hopeful. It never held the WPA2/AES this long or with intensive use before.


I don't see how this can be anything but a hardware issue, at least for me. Maybe glitchy wifi chips that manifest problems in different ways making it hard to pinpoint and fix all the issues with a software update which I'm sure is what Apple is hoping to do.


My advice - go for a replacement.

Nov 1, 2012 6:45 PM in response to C4RLOCO

As i figured, this issue has been fixed with a software patch.


I had the very specific issue where my iPhone 5 would connect for WPA2 AES wifi networks but the performance was horrable. I was able to load one or two pages and then nothing... Switching my outer to WEP encryption solved the issue.


I can report todat that iOS update 6.0.1 has fixed this issue!!! The release notes for this iOS update specifivally mention the WPA2 issue.


Thank you Apple.

Sep 23, 2012 5:33 PM in response to C4RLOCO

Mine was replaced today at the apple store, no problems with the switch out. They hadn't heard of anyone having this issue as of yet though. Checked on my production date and location, same place


Factory: DN (China, Chengdu - Foxconn)

Production year: 2012

Production week: 33 (August)


I had the same issues with wifi as has been described with other users. My iphone 4 had no connection issues. I even videotaped the problem in case I had issues with the genius people but never even had to bring it out. Just explained the issue, explained that it happened at home and at the ATT store on the way to the Apple store and he made the switch for me.


Good suggestion to track the phones manufacturerer.

Sep 25, 2012 3:20 PM in response to C4RLOCO

hey guys... so i started having this issue right away on friday when i tried to start up the phone for the first time. i didnt have a backup to restore from, so it was right away a fresh phone. thanks to you guys, i eventually narrowed it down to this particular issue, and went to the apple store to see the genius. they replaced the phone... but that phone had the same issues with AES encryption. all other encryption seems to work fine. so i returned to the apple store, and got a second replacement. that one also is having the same issue with AES encryption!


the genius that gave me the second replacement told me that applecare was aware of the issue and the engineers were working on figuring out the issue, but could not see anything conclusive at the time. Theories ranged from certain models of serial numbers to specific wireless routers being the source of the problem. I was instructed to call Applecare and tell them my issue, so that they can compile more data to lead them to the source of the problem. So you should all do that too.


The applecare person, after i explained all my previous steps in detail, eventually managed to find a thread from her supervisor regarding the work the engineers were doing, but did not have any definite conclusive evidence yet, nor any timeline on when a solution would be found. We decided to hold onto this faulty phone for now, but have them call me back in a week with whatever information the engineers may have discovered. Apparently the more people that have this problem reported to applecare, the quicker they will work to find a solution.


In the meantime i have downgraded my home wireless network to TKIP encryption, which temporarily solves the problem, but applecare even mentions on its support faq that TKIP is not as reliable as AES and should be avoided, which the applecare specialist agreed with. Of course this does not fix any issues i may have with other wifi routers set to AES encryption that i cannot access to change the settings. They will continue to monitor the issue so that we can determine a proper course of action and go back to AES, hopefully by the time they call me back next week.

Sep 30, 2012 12:31 AM in response to C4RLOCO

I was having the same problem as you on my iPhone 5. Id be able to connect to my wireless network (wifi n) with a WPA2 AES security setup and internet would work for 5 seconds or so. After that I couldnt load any web pages but the wifi would stay connected. I went to the apple store and they reinstalled the firmware. I went home and it still didnt work. I went to general/reset/reset network settings. Still didnt work. Tried taking off WPA2 (then reset network settings) and internet WORKED! It apparent was having trouble with the WPA2 security. I went to the apple store again and was given a new iPhone 5. Went home, worked no problem.


Bottom line: Get a new iphone 5. If you have the same symptoms as me, you have a hardware issue and you need a replacement phone.


Good luck fellas.

Oct 1, 2012 3:56 PM in response to C4RLOCO

I can now PROVE that the problem is related to AES encryption.

Have tested with two routers. A brand new and expensive ASUS RT-AC66U and a cheap DLINK DIR-615.

I tried with all types of WPA settings, and this is the results:


Works flawlessly with:

AUTO (WPA or WPA2) - TKIP

WPA only - TKIP

WPA2 only - TKIP


The iPhone connects to the network, but stops working after a couple of settings with:

AUTO (WPA or WPA2) - AES

WPA only - AES

WPA only - AES

AUTO (WPA or WPA2) - TKIP and AES

WPA only - TKIP and AES

WPA only - TKIP and AES


100% sure that I'm right about this, and now just curious if this is software- or hardware related.

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