Effective ways to use AppleTV in the classroom?

I have set up an appletv, projector, and iPad in my secondary classroom and am now having problems getting our IT person to give me access to the school wide wireless network so that I can use it. He says it is a big problem, and is in extended "talks with Apple IT" to solve it.

1. Has this been a problem with others?

2. What if I just set up a router in my classroom and use that wireless? (The IT person has said this wont work as it will lead to problems on our school network)

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Posted on Sep 26, 2012 8:45 AM

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Sep 26, 2012 1:57 PM in response to Chemystery

Just one more tip I just remembered, you can create a local wireless network using a standard wireless router without an internet connection. Therefore, you won't need to use the school's network. Thus, all you will need to do is connect both devices in the same local network to stream content between them. I think every standard router can do this, I know for sure the AirPort Express can. Simply set it up to "create a wireless network" and ignore the messages that the device does not have an internet connection.

Sep 26, 2012 2:36 PM in response to Chemystery

Yes, you would loose this possibility since you woldn't have an internet connection to the outside world. This set up would create just a local network where devices with wireless capabilities would see and connect with each other, such as wi-fi printers, the iPad, Apple TV, iPhones etc You will be able to airplay only the content that is stored locally in on of these devices. For instance, you will be able to airplay content stored in your iPad, like a movie, photos; you should be able to AirMirror apps etc. Any other content that you wish to airplay to the big screen that is on line would require an internet connection.

Oct 12, 2012 4:24 PM in response to Chemystery

This is great information; thank you to all of the posters. I've had zero luck using Apple TV in the classroom this year ever since my school upgraded the wireless network. The Apple TV and my iPad both "see" the network (a non-enterprise network), but for some reason they're not "talking" to one another. I'm going out tomorrow to pick up an Airport Express and use it in my classroom to mirror apps until the IT department figures out the problem.


Thanks a bunch!

Apr 27, 2014 6:26 AM in response to P Willis

I have been using the above set up since September and it has worked flawlessly. Although the AppleTV would not connect to the school wireless during its last set up step I was able to get connection by using the AirPort express.


I was able to go a step further. I have a wired port in my class for a desktop computer. Instead of plugging the computer directly into the port, I plugged the computer into the router and the router into the port, hoping I might be able to access the internet through the AppleTV even though the school board IT person said it would not be possible. It did work! Haha. So finally the AppleTV works in my class with my iPad or iPhone and AppleTV through an HD projector to a 96" screen like I hoped that it would. I use it on a daily basis in my class.


Some apps I like:

V Downloader. Downloads any format to your iPad. Great filing system for organizing the videos. Always a good idea to have a downloaded copy. Don't want to trust the internet in case it crashes half way through an important presentation.


Pages iMovie and Keynote.


Pointer. Awesome. Great laser pointer or highlighter. Can sit anywhere in the class (even right beside chatty Charles) with my iPad or iPhone and present a note.


DocScan. Good quick scanner. Eg. Scan homework answers as PDF, open in Pointer, take up in class. Or open and save in Dropbox.


Dropbox. Have a shared folder for each class. Inside are Unit folders with handouts, outlines, homework answers, text etc


I teach Physics. Oscilloscope, Tone, Tone Generator. Free apps (used to cost $1000 for equipment to show this)

Spacecraft 3D, String, SloPro, EH Physics on YouTube.

Apr 28, 2014 5:04 AM in response to Chemystery

Great reply Chemystery! Thanks for your input.


Questions:


Is your connection to the network using your iPad reliant on having your laptop connected too? I'm not using a laptop nor do I wish to. I'm teaching strictly with the iPad.


I'm assuming that all your connections are wired as opposed to wifi. Is this the case or does the wired connection automatically create a wifi connection in your classroom?


Where in your configuration does your Airport figure in? Is it even necessary anymore?


Also, you'd asked in a previous post whether you'd lose your Airplay function. I use Airplay to stream music Apps to a Bluetooth speaker. Would I lose this ability as well?


Thanks for your App suggestions!!! I've downloaded a few of them and am in the process of checking them out! :)

Apr 29, 2014 3:59 PM in response to P Willis

Here are all the details of how I have the system set up in my classroom. I'm not sure what info will be helpful to you, so I'm going to include all the gory details.


Ceiling mounted HD projector (about $800 or $900 at Tigerdirect. They had a package deal that included a ceiling mount for projector, and a nice 92" screen which was mounted on the wall at the front of the room.) Tigerdirect has a good tutorial to figure out how far to mount the projector to work well with the screen. I went with the16x9 format screen, and it is awesome. A "Mustang" screen.


Mounted the AppleTV to the ceiling just above the projector. Ordered a ceiling mount for the AppleTV through EBay. Faced the IR sensor on the AppleTV toward the screen. If I am using the remote, I would most likely be at the front of the class. Good "line of sight" so the remote works well. Can also bounce the signal from the remote off the screen. I would strongly suggest using the ceiling mount for the AppleTV. Don't just Velcro it to the top of the projector as you are likely to have vibration and heat issues.


Connect the HDMI cable from the AppleTV into the "HDMI in" on the back of your projector. If the AppleTV can connect to your school WiFi and you just want to use the speakers in the projector, you are done. Use your iPad, iPod, Mac or iPhone to Airplay wirelessly to your projector. As I mentioned, my school board wifi would not let my AppleTV connect to it. This is where we had to get a little creative. I had no wifi, therefore a useless AppleTV.


What I wanted to do was:


Get a classroom wifi network so that my Apple device could communicate to the AppleTV (wirelessly of course).

Get access to the school board's internet through this classroom wifi network so I could use the AppleTV WITH the internet.

Hook up a good set of speakers with subwoofer.

Have a wired drop at the front of the class by a desk, so when needed, another "Apple-less" teacher could wire their laptop into the projector. Also could use wires to connect a DVD player of VCR to play through the projector.


Let's look at each of the solutions.

Get an AirPort express wifi router. Plug it into an electrical outlet in your class. You don't need to plug in an internet cable if none is available. Follow the AirPort instructions to set up wifi. Follow AppleTV to connect to this wifi network. Set passwords on the AirPort and on the AppleTV. Don't want those creative students messing with your new wifi network or accessing your AppleTV. You can know airplay or mirror anything from your Apple device to your projector. You will not have access to the internet. Use Video downloader app to download any videos to your iPad then you can AirPlay them through your projector during your class, even though you have no internet connection.

I have an internet cable in my class (luckily) that was hooked to a desk top. The connection is cable to desktop. I changed that to cable into AirPort Express, cable out of Airport Express to the desktop computer. This lets the computer work on the school internet as usual. It ALSO now gives my classroom wifi internet access. This means I can wirelessly use my Apple device to airplay or mirror everything through the AppleTV. I was told by the board IT guy that this would not work. My little secret. It does. Really well. With no problems.

Sound. The AppleTV delivers sound into the projector through the HDMI cable. I attached a long (20 ft? Buy from MonoPrice. Don't faint when you see how inexpensive the cables are!!) audio cable out of the headphone jack audio out from the back of the projector, above the ceiling tiles to the front of the class down the wall to a metal box with various jacks in it. One of the jacks says audio out. The box has a connection that you plug your male end of the audio cable into the back. On the front of the box will be the female audio connection which you label "Audio out". Your powered awesome speakers will have a male audio cable "headphone" jack that you plug in. Now change the setting on your projector to external speakers. The sound will now come out of the speakers at the front of the class. The sound will be MUCH better than the projector speakers. The projector speakers are generally not good enough for a classroom setting. Can also do stuff like go to your music on your iPhone, swipe up, select airplay, select your classroom wifi, and rock out to Alice Cooper's "School's Out For Summer" after your last class in June. ...or whatever music you like...

Plug the appropriate cables into the back of the projector in the "IN" slots RCA right, left audio, RCA Video, computer in cable. Run these cables along the same path, into the same box as the audio cable. Attach appropriate connectors. Label these connectors on the front of the box. Now you can plug in a laptop if you want (but why??), or show a video or DVD through you projector.


Hope this helps. Fly me out to your school and I'll set it up for you!

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