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  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (28,320 points)

    Hmmm, to be honest I have no idea what that means either.... but I did a google search and came up with (there are more; all of them mention disk encryption and/or Windows - don't know if that would apply to you):





    I have DW and don't know if it would work on that - it repairs directories, but I think your problem goes deeper than that (at least according to these articles), but you can try it; at this point, it can't hurt.


    So you chose the top level entry of that drive? Can you erase the entire thing (as a first step and then try to partition later)?

  • keith contarino Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Yes i chose the top level entry.i think i can erase the entire thing and start from scratch and leave time machine out of the loop

  • keith contarino Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I read the links, thanks but a bit above my head.

    Using disc utility i erased the top level entry and the 2 partitions below it called "untitled" and "499.76 GB"

    I then used Disc Warrior to rebuild the top level and the partitions.

    Disc Warrior then rebuilt and replaced "untitled". Disc Warrior says:


    . This disc is a Mac OS Extended Disc

    . This disc does appear on the desktop

    . This disc is 499.76 GB in size


    went back to disc utility. This is now what I have on Left Hand Side:

    250 GB Hitachi HTS 545

                MACINTOSH HD

                MACINTOSH HD2

    500.11 GB Hitachi HTS 545



    The 250 GB is my Hard Drive  HD has operating system,files, apps, all the stuff that makes the laptop work or supposed to. HD2 has tv shows, music, movies, videos. Stuff that I want to take off my internal HD eventually and park in a partition on my external.

    Tell me if this makes any sense:

    1. I want to use CCC to make a bootable clone in one partition of 500GB external HD

    2. I do NOT want to involve Time Machine at all

    3. I want to create a partition on my external (which looks empty) 500GB HD and download Mountain Lion onto it. That would give me 2 partitions

    4. I'd like at least 1 more partition so that I can move everything on ITunes and elsewhere containing music,movies,tv,videos etc. I'd like that partition to be 200-300GB

    5. I went to about this Mac and clicked System Report and found the following when i highlighted serial ATA

    capacity                                       250.06GB

    Partition Map Type                    GPT (GUID Partition Table)

    S.M.A.R.T. status                     verified



        capacity                  209.7 MB

       content                    EFI

    Macintosh HD:

      capacity:                 124.6 GB

      available                 64.63 GB

      writable                  Yes

    File System             Journaled HFS+

    BSD name             disk0s2

    Mount Point           /

    Content:                Apple_HFS



       Capacity:          650 MB

       BSD name      disk0s3

       Content:         Apple_Boot



       Capacity:        124.47 GB

       Available:       103.39 GB

       writable:          Yes

       File System:   Journaled HFS+

       BSD name:      disk0s4

    Mount Point:    /Volumes/Macintosh HD 2

      Content:         Apple_HFS


    6. CCC will make a bootable clone of Macintosh HD  Destiation will be Untitled. I assume CCC will partition. If my math is correct, clone will take up about 80GB?

    7. HD 2 has abou/t 21GB of video and music I'd like to put in a partition on untitled. I'd like that partition to have 200-300GB space for more videos/music. Then I want to delete it from HD 2

    8. Then I want to install Mountain Lion onto the external HD aka untitled. Where do I put it and how do I go about using it? Every OS I've ever put onto any of my Macs I've just followed instructions from Apple Store and downloaded over existing OS. I want to be able to play with it for a month or so to see if I want to keep it.


    WOW!! I'm asking a lot of you!!! Sorry. I super appreciate any and all help

    I'm a Veterinarian and at your service for any help I may be able to give





  • GeekBoy.from.Illinois Level 4 Level 4 (2,805 points)

    Let me weigh in for you here.


    At the same time you were posting your original message I was busy fighting with my MacBook Pro and trying to upgrade from Lion to Mountain Lion.  I have a Late 2011 17" MacBook Pro, and it was working great with Lion.  I was workign on a project that prevented me from upgrading to Mountain Lion sooner, so when I got the chance, I wanted to do the upgrade.  Ever since I got my original MacBook Pro over 5 years ago, I have been using SupreDuper to make a bootable clone of my OS disk before making any major changes.  This has saved my butt many times, and the upgrade to Mountain Lion was one of them.


    I was running Lion 10.7.5 on my MBP, and when I downlaoded the 10.8.2 installer and installed it on my machine, it hung on the first boot after the install process.  Just a grey Apple screen.  Luck for me, I was able to boot from my clone in a FW800 enclosure and restore back to 10.7.5 on the internal drive.  I think I repeated this process about 6-7 times before I finally found the one piece of software I had installed 2 years earlier that was incompatible.  Using your logic, upgrading from 10.7.5 to 10.8.2 should have been "trivial" but it wasn't for me.  I sure was happy I had a bootable clone to recover with...

  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (28,320 points)

    FWIW, it's easier if you just post a screenshot instead of typing what it says - use the little camera icon in the toolbar of the reply windw....


    Using disc utility i erased the top level entry and the 2 partitions below it called "untitled" and "499.76 GB"

    I then used Disc Warrior to rebuild the top level and the partitions.

    Disc Warrior then rebuilt and replaced "untitled". Disc Warrior says:


    Also FWIW, if you erase the disk, there is no need at that point to use DW - it's empty, it's been erased, so there's really no need to rebuild anything. (I didn't know you had erased it).


    Important (because I'm not clear on that):


    So, you now have a completely empty external hard disk, properly formatted, and divided into how many partitions?


    If it is just one partition...... (and I'll number my answers to correspond to your questions):


    1.  Yes, you can use CCC to make a bootable clone, but: CCC does not make a partition. You need to use Disk Utility to partition the drive first. Simply go to DU, click on Partition, click on the partition layout and choose the number of partitions.


    2. no need to use Time Machine if you don't want to.


    3. You can do that; you decide how much you want on there (besides the basic OS); I have one that I call "fresh" = a pristine install of the OS plus a fresh install of all my apps, which means if there is a disaster, I can start fresh; the only thing missing is my Documents folder which I can simply copy over.


    4. You can choose how many partitions you want on the external; for your bootable clone, make it large enough to hold your current system plus at least 40 GB more for future increase in size.  So you decide how large each partition will be; looks like you already know you want 200 - 300 for iTunes stuff.


    5. So your internal has two equally sized partitions and HD has the OS + other stuff on it and HD2 the users folders?



    I assume CCC will partition


    No. See above - you need to partition first.  Yes, CCC will clone the HD - I'd make about 100 GB (figuring in future growth). Adding this tip:


    When you partition, name your partitions - it'll make life a lot easier, i.e. your Macintosh HD clone: call it "Mac HD clone", your user folders "Users" or some other name you can identify quickly; iTunes: "Music" or Videos or whatever.


    7. Name that partition and then use these articles to move your iTunes and iPhoto libraries (also iMovie in case you have anything there):





    Make sure everything works on the external before wiping that stuff from your internal! And, remember, that now your external is your only file of these things, so you need to back them up somewhere else...


    8. How about you first put another CCC clone of your system on that partition (name it Mac HD ML). Then download ML; before the install begins, dismiss the installer. First, find it in the Applications folder and make a copy of it (for future use) and park it somewhere else - reason: the installer self destructs after it is finished. Also, copy it to your partition (desktop is fine). Then boot into that partition and launch the installer.


    I think I covered it all.......


    I'm a Veterinarian and at your service for any help I may be able to give



    Thanks, appreciate it - unfortunately, I am allergic to dander and can't even pet a pet, LOL....

  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (28,320 points)

    Addendum to my last post for #6 - since you want ML on the external, simply boot into your new clone, download it from there, save a copy, and install (saves a couple of steps bypassing the internal drive).

  • baltwo Level 9 Level 9 (62,210 points)

    Ooopps. See that I responded to the last OP post on page one and missed everything on page 2. Whether the below is germane or not, is left up to others, but I'll leave it for general info.



    See this for details on CoreStorage. To use the Terminal and the diskutil command, launch the Terminal app, type this command into the window that pops up, and hit the return key.


    diskutil list


    This gives the mounted disks and volumes. With only the ext HD mounted, it most likely will show up as disk1, since the int boot one should be disk0.


    If so, then, this command should erase it. Copy & paste it into the Terminal window and hit the return key.


    diskutil eraseDisk GPT disk1


    Once that's finished (you get the $ prompt), quit the Terminal app, launch Disk Utility, and partition it to suit your needs.


    FWIW, I've never had issues with CCC, but then I'm biased, since I moderated the old CCC forums for over six years.

  • keith contarino Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    1. yes, my external is empty and properly formatted with 1 partition. I followed you for awhile and then got lost. And THANK YOU for the camera tip!! I couldn't copy/paste so had to type everything. I'm going to need a lot of partitions if i understand you.


    Partition 1 100GB  "Bootable Clone1"

    Partition 2 200 GB "Music,Movies,TV,Videos"

    Partition 3 How big is ML?  "Fresh Mountain Lion Install"

    Partition 4 "Fresh Install My Apps"  How do I do this and how do I find out how much space this will take? I went to System Information and it lists all the Apps on my laptop including all the PowerPC ones that no longer work. How do I get rid of all those? How do I install already installed Apps?

    Partition 5 100 GB?? Mac HD ML. What exactly am i doing here besides taking up another 100GB or more of my external HD? I've put ML on partition 3 but you want me to put it here too? I'm totally confused. I can't find installer for anything in my APPS folder. If I do this I'll have used up 400 GB on Partitions 1,2 and 5 and have no idea how big Partitions 3 and 4 need to be

  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (28,320 points)

    Okay, I tried to answer your questions as asked, so let's start over.....


    Partition 1 - 100 GB - make a bootable clone of the current system for safekeeping. You can decide later if you want to update that or keep as is if you don't like ML.

    Partition 2 - 200 GB -music, etc

    Partition 3 - 100 GB - 2nd bootable clone of the current system to be used to download and install Mountain Lion. Didn't you want to install ML on the external? This is the partition to use for that - clone your current system > boot into it > download ML and install it there. It will now be your ML partition you can work with and try out to see if you like it.

    Partition 4 - 100 GB? You have me confused now: I thought you wanted a partition for your Users folder (which should contain user files such as documents., not necessarily Applications. Applications should be in the main (and only) Applications folder. So you need to tell me what exactly you have in your User folders.


    Note 1: How to uninstall applications: you go into your Applications folder and drag the app to the trash. If it was installed using an installer, go to their website and see if there is an uninstaller; otherwise dragging to the trash will do. There are some apps such as Adobe that will need an uninstaller because they park files everywhere.


    Note 2: You will not have an installer in your Applications folder now or for anything - except after you download ML. It resides there temporarily and self destructs after the install. Hence the recommendation that you copy it to a safe place somewhere in case you need it for a reinstall and the file is very large, 4.37+ GB which can take hours with a slower connection.


    Note 3: The reason I'm proposing that you clone your system and then download/install from that external partition is that the ML installer has thrown fits when I tried to install it on a partition I was not booted into. It works flawlessly if you download and install it to the system you are booted into.


    Hope i was able to explain it better now........

  • keith contarino Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I appreciate the time you are taking and your patience. I am woefully ignorant when it comes to this stuff. I partitioned the top level external into 6. was planning on doing;

    1. rebootable clone. That's from HD and takes up 60 GB so I left the partition at 83.5 GB (1/6)

    2. Media/Entertainment.   200GB  HD 2 has everything I've bought and moved to MIRO, videoes and music from iTunes  but not all of ITunes which is in JKC User folder still on HD.


    First I heard of going to users folders. I have 3 Users folders under Macintosh HD in Finder. A Shared folder for printers. An unusable folder. And my User Folder called JKC which has everything in it; desktop,documents

    downloads,movies,music,itunes,Miro,etc. etc. All of this is in HD so will be in partition 1. So, should I make a partition for JKC? There are no APPS in any User Folder


    I have Clean My Mac for APP uninstaller. The first item on HD is APPS. I get to this in Finder. It tells me the APPS that are working. I still have issue with the PowerPC APPS I only can find in System Information I still want to get rid of. I have about 4 GB of APPS in the APPS folder


    Since I gotta get to work. I'm gonna make the bootable clone and recovery HD and get back here this evening






  • keith contarino Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I made 6 partitions as follows


    1. Bootable Clone   83.5 GB

    2. Media/Entertainment  200 GB

    3. Second Bootable Clone With ML  100 GB

    4. Applications   20 GB

    5. USER JKC    45 GB

    6. Extra Space   whatever is left

  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (28,320 points)

    So, these working and not-working apps are all listed in this CleanMyMac?


    Well, I can't respond to anything having to do with CleanMyMac because I don't have it and wouldn't have it - there is a plethora of those types of apps and they are all unnecessary. Some actually cause havoc - don't know if this one does since I won't use it.


    Your #4: what is this "Applications" you keep referring to? You shouldn't have applications except in your Applications folder which is already backed up in your #1 and #3.


    Your #5:  is this what your User folder looks like as well:


    Screen Shot 2012-10-08 at 8.52.45 AM.png


    If it is, then it is also backed up already in your #1 and #3. No need to duplicate that.

    From your initial posts, I got the impression that there were two users, so I thought you wanted each of the users to have their own user folder backed up. But, apparently, that is not the case, so there is no need for that.


    In general: CCC or SuperDuper will create a complete copy/clone of what is on your hard drive - that includes everything, so there is no need to duplicate things on the same external drive - you want two copies, get another drive in case one fails.


    As for your PPC applications: none of them will work, so delete them by dragging them to the trash. Empty trash. If you have any documents created by those, you better check to make sure those can be opened by a newer app.

  • keith contarino Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I bought cleanmymac a year or 2 ago. it was rated high at macworld and macann. Probably in retrospect should have just got onyx for mac. Cleanmymac gets rid of everything associated with any app I want to uninstall.


    I have read where others have had troubles but so far not me

  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (28,320 points)

    I don't use any of these - well, I have actually tried Onyx, but couldn't see a difference before and after so I stopped using it many OS versions ago; the simple facts are: if an app was installed by you dragging it to the Applications folder, simply drag it to the trash = done. If an app came with its own installer, then it usually also has an uninstaller (in the original .dmg or on their website) = use that and you're done. Any other "cleanup" is mostly not necessary, accomplished by the OS itself, or can be done manually. Just because it's available or has good ratings doesn't mean your Mac needs it to function properly.

  • keith contarino Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    You make good sense. It just seemed easier

    Well, I have bootable back up and everything pretty much where I want it.


    Haven't installed Mountain Lion. Having battery problems again. My mag adapter frayed. It was covered under Apple Plan and since it damaged the battery, Apple gave me a new one. You know where this is going. After 10.7.3, i think, my battery had pretty much become a 5 hour one. Not the 7-8 I had with Snow Leopard but acceptable. I now have a 3- 3 1/2 hour battery again and am hesitant to do  anything new.


    But, will follow advice. I think Mt Lion still has battery problem